Checking in for Old Times Sake

[not really ken]

Someone posted a thread in the 2pacboard which I replied to; I though i'd put it in here s it seems to havemore traffic; it was in reply to someone being sick of the 2pac scene:

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Amazing! I became bored stale years ago; I went through a period of completely decrying 2pac out of my life and found different pursuits and ambitions. Before I have come to realise and give due to 2pac, to me he was an 'idea' and amongst all the superfluous nonsense - which I belive was just got marketing and sales - i've found alot of beauty in his ideas, he's an icon and although the overall 'scene' might have fragmented, his music has become legendary, he's certainly imprinted a legacy on the the cultural milieu for generations to come.

I think that anybody who listens to 2pac in his teenage years might end up attenuating from the musical aspect as they age, for it certainly isn't avant-garde, but will never lose the 'spark' that his messages do leave an echo of in your mind, 2pac is like a vestige from a byone era, he's left colossol wrecks that have been levelled by the winds of time; and that's what will enthuse generations to come, he's become entrenched in cutlural and social history and as you look beyond the surface into the core of his vision, you will realise it's idle to seek logical truths in his words - as I at one point started doing - because the ideal of imagination is beauty, not truth. He was a beautiful visionary, not an embody of scientific truisms and for that, he will always find a new community of listeners generation after generation to come and to come, having their imagintions enflamed by his beauty.

Peace!

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I think some people might be interested by my opinion and it'll help them to consolidate their own thoughts about the whole 'scene'. I'm a muslim and when i did lose interest on the forum it was because I became serious about my religion, 2pac and idle chatter didnt figure a part of my new aspirations.
Anyway, for those that might care, i'm doing very well in life, I hope things work out for all you guys too, however and whatever that may be - God willing

Some names I remember

Rukas
Chronic
Big Easy
Sikk
Jokerman
Amara
Big Flipp
Forgstradamus
Jump off
Duke
Artisticgurl

Hope you're all well

oh and that German dude, who loved closing threads.

See you in another life, brothers.

 

[dilla]

You are talking about beReal/Sebastian who had the biggest hissy fit I have ever seen on a forum when his powers were stripped from him at one point. He never became mod again.

It was quite funny.

I don't know who you are but during that era I was on another username, tennis_dog.

 

[S O F I]

welcome back. stick around. we don't make fun of islam much anymore.

 

[Ristol]

welcome back. stick around. we don't make fun of islam much anymore.

Reminds me of GOB saying "we're niiice"

 

[Prize Gotti]

Didn't we all stop talking to you because you said everyone who catches aids deserves to have it?

 

[dilla]

^^ To some extent, I believe that too, depending on how it was transmitted. Mainly just by drug use. If you take the risk of using drugs and then also sharing needles, that's a double whammy. I wouldn't say you "deserve" it, but you made your bed, lay in it.

If it's through being a whore, that's a risk too. But if you fuck someone that has it, whether they know it or not, that's downright unfortunate. If you contract if from your infected mother at birth, that's also unfortunate. If you step on a used needle or something and contract it, that's unfortunate.

I have no tolerance for drug use, and an even lower tolerance for drug abuse.

 

[Ristol]

Didn't we all stop talking to you because you said everyone who catches aids deserves to have it?

Was this before or after we all stopped talking to you because you got AIDS?

 

[Pittsey]

^^ To some extent, I believe that too, depending on how it was transmitted. Mainly just by drug use. If you take the risk of using drugs and then also sharing needles, that's a double whammy. I wouldn't say you "deserve" it, but you made your bed, lay in it.

If it's through being a whore, that's a risk too. But if you fuck someone that has it, whether they know it or not, that's downright unfortunate. If you contract if from your infected mother at birth, that's also unfortunate. If you step on a used needle or something and contract it, that's unfortunate.

I have no tolerance for drug use, and an even lower tolerance for drug abuse.

What if you live in a country where there is no education or education is poor in regards to sexual health?

What if you caught it from a blood transfusion?

What if you caught it from the very small chance through oral sex?

I mean, I know some people are young here, and with youth comes a very black and white view of the world. But to say because people are addicted to drugs, and they share needles they deserve it... Is very, very harsh. Maybe if we treated addiction correctly, we could reduce AIDS, and we could reduce crime.

*Yes. I am in a gay righteous mood.*

 

[S O F I]

what else can you expect from an upper middle class son of a doctor? that's why these people vote republican.

 

[dilla]

what else can you expect from an upper middle class son of a doctor? that's why these people vote republican.

1. You thrive on knowing the profession of my parents
2. You never reveal what your parents do for a living
3. You don't have a pay check to begin with, so if this is about money influencing voting and view points, you have no ground to stand on. As neither do I.
4. When you start getting a steady pay check, whenever that may be, let me know if your views change. If they don't, it'll be a shame.

 

[dilla]

What if you live in a country where there is no education or education is poor in regards to sexual health?

What if you caught it from a blood transfusion?

What if you caught it from the very small chance through oral sex?

I mean, I know some people are young here, and with youth comes a very black and white view of the world. But to say because people are addicted to drugs, and they share needles they deserve it... Is very, very harsh. Maybe if we treated addiction correctly, we could reduce AIDS, and we could reduce crime.

*Yes. I am in a gay righteous mood.*

I may have painted the situation with a broad brush, but I was assuming that we were talking about the Western world, and not third-world countries where it's an epidemic. You can get AIDS from a blood transfusion, which is most probably available in a first-world country.

The image that was in my mind was someone from the US or Europe knowingly take the risk of contracting HIV through dangerous behavior. I would never say the word "deserve" but they had it coming to them. You know the risk, you deal with the consequences.

If we educate the world about the use of condoms and birth control, there are still "accidents" right? That you can not prevent 100%, but then there are some people that blatantly disregard the idea of safe sex, fuck like bunnies, have ten kids, and then right around rampant with STDs looking for welfare checks to support them. There's a difference between someone that is simply dealt a bad hand, times are tough, etc., and then someone that is just an irresponsible, inconsiderate dipshit.

Education? How far can it go? Fine, birth control may not be the best example for me to use. Because it's not necessarily an idea, but a practice that requires the people involved to have them money to go buy condoms or birth control, as well as the education on how to use them. But what about other things we "educate" the youth with? There was the D.A.R.E program (look it up) which tried to deter kids from substance and alcohol abuse. It "educated" students to not smoke cigarettes because they're bad for you or drink and drive. How many DUIs were there in the US in the past year, alone? How many smokers are there in the US? Does "education" really work? You tell someone from when they are a child that drugs are bad, don't do them. If they go and do it anyway, do they not have the right to choose for themselves what's right? And deal with the consequences for it?

What can you tell an adult about drugs that you can not tell a child? The effects are the same, right? Nothing has changed in terms of how it fucks your body up. If despite all that education, they still choose to do it, then I stick to my view of making your bed and then laying in it. To say additional education is required about substance abuse for an abuser in the Western world is just an insult to the abuser's intelligence.

 

[S O F I]

1. You thrive on knowing the profession of my parents
2. You never reveal what your parents do for a living
3. You don't have a pay check to begin with, so if this is about money influencing voting and view points, you have no ground to stand on. As neither do I.
4. When you start getting a steady pay check, whenever that may be, let me know if your views change. If they don't, it'll be a shame.

I've had a steady paycheck, ie salary job, since February. I do private equity and venture capital research.

And no, there's no envy behind my post up there. It just happens to be an efficient and accurate way of understanding people's opinions in life...for the most part. I was hoping you'd ask why I said what I said instead of trying to insult me.

 

[S O F I]

I may have painted the situation with a broad brush, but I was assuming that we were talking about the Western world, and not third-world countries where it's an epidemic. You can get AIDS from a blood transfusion, which is most probably available in a first-world country.

The image that was in my mind was someone from the US or Europe knowingly take the risk of contracting HIV through dangerous behavior. I would never say the word "deserve" but they had it coming to them. You know the risk, you deal with the consequences.

If we educate the world about the use of condoms and birth control, there are still "accidents" right? That you can not prevent 100%, but then there are some people that blatantly disregard the idea of safe sex, fuck like bunnies, have ten kids, and then right around rampant with STDs looking for welfare checks to support them. There's a difference between someone that is simply dealt a bad hand, times are tough, etc., and then someone that is just an irresponsible, inconsiderate dipshit.

Education? How far can it go? Fine, birth control may not be the best example for me to use. Because it's not necessarily an idea, but a practice that requires the people involved to have them money to go buy condoms or birth control, as well as the education on how to use them. But what about other things we "educate" the youth with? There was the D.A.R.E program (look it up) which tried to deter kids from substance and alcohol abuse. It "educated" students to not smoke cigarettes because they're bad for you or drink and drive. How many DUIs were there in the US in the past year, alone? How many smokers are there in the US? Does "education" really work? You tell someone from when they are a child that drugs are bad, don't do them. If they go and do it anyway, do they not have the right to choose for themselves what's right? And deal with the consequences for it?

What can you tell an adult about drugs that you can not tell a child? The effects are the same, right? Nothing has changed in terms of how it fucks your body up. If despite all that education, they still choose to do it, then I stick to my view of making your bed and then laying in it. To say additional education is required about substance abuse for an abuser in the Western world is just an insult to the abuser's intelligence.

It's not about educating the world necessarily, but about framing the issues right and having the laws change accordingly. For example, drug use and abuse should be dealt with as a health and mental issue, and public health and mental issue at that, and not as a crime or a moral and ethical failure.

 

[Pittsey]

It's not about educating the world necessarily, but about framing the issues right and having the laws change accordingly. For example, drug use and abuse should be dealt with as a health and mental issue, and public health and mental issue at that, and not as a crime or a moral and ethical failure.

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/04/25/watch-russell-brand-testifies-before-parliament/

http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/Player.aspx?meetingId=10674

 

[dilla]

I was hoping you'd ask why I insulted you instead of trying to insult me.

FTFY

Entertain me. Because you know so many Indians whose parents are doctors and they share a similar opinion?

 

[dilla]

It's not about educating the world necessarily, but about framing the issues right and having the laws change accordingly. For example, drug use and abuse should be dealt with as a health and mental issue, and public health and mental issue at that, and not as a crime or a moral and ethical failure.

Enlighten me further. If it becomes a health issue, who would treat them? With a shortage of health care professionals, at least in the US, won't we just take thousands from crowded prisons and then crowd hospitals with them?

What would the criteria be for a drug user to be admitted to therapy/treatment? Repeated minor offenses or one big, fat one?

And I know we've had this discussion before but a good number of people on this board want drugs legalized. So knowing the potential for users to become abusers, we still want to legalize it to keep prisons clear of minor offenders? What about the other debate we've had before about healthy eating? If drugs are ok and not as bad as people make them out to be and people should be allowed to do as they wish, that means to avoid being hypocrites we have to stop this war on obesity and allow cheap, unhealthy food remain the same price and healthy alternatives remain expensive, compared to their cheaper counterparts.

 

[vg4030]

 

[masta247]

Sofi thinks he understands people again

 

[Pittsey]

Enlighten me further. If it becomes a health issue, who would treat them? With a shortage of health care professionals, at least in the US, won't we just take thousands from crowded prisons and then crowd hospitals with them?

What would the criteria be for a drug user to be admitted to therapy/treatment? Repeated minor offenses or one big, fat one?

And I know we've had this discussion before but a good number of people on this board want drugs legalized. So knowing the potential for users to become abusers, we still want to legalize it to keep prisons clear of minor offenders? What about the other debate we've had before about healthy eating? If drugs are ok and not as bad as people make them out to be and people should be allowed to do as they wish, that means to avoid being hypocrites we have to stop this war on obesity and allow cheap, unhealthy food remain the same price and healthy alternatives remain expensive, compared to their cheaper counterparts.

We live in a fucked up world with too much emphasis on materialism.

We should try to improve the world. I believe in letting people do as they wish with their own lives, as long as it doesn't impact on others. But people don't want to do Heroin. People don't want to do Crack. They did. But very quickly the choice leaves them. I have a couple of friends who enjoyed Heroin 10 years ago. Now they are consumed by it. They still earn decent money, and they are functioning addicts, the worst kind. I don't think it can be compared to obesity. But I believe both addiction and greed are mental illnesses.

I believe we need to start curing people, and to do that we need to be open to changes in the way that medicine works. The corruption in the pharmaceutical business is probably the first thing we, as an advanced civilisation, should look at.

 

[masta247]

If you step on a used needle or something and contract it, that's unfortunate.

When I was in Vancouver it scared the shit out of me - I saw used needles in parks and even kids playground once. And I stayed there for only a month or so and people around me were like "whatever". You're lucky if you don't step on one. What the fuck what the fuck, I can't even picture what a person who gets infected by one must feel. I'd probably rage-kill bums on the streets. And people who do drugs there look like total pussies so sometimes it's really hard to tell that they do.