Returning ISIS fighters, a question for Canadians.

[Tha_Wood]

What's the deal? It's so hard to get a good understanding from the internet as you don't really know if your reading something you can trust. Is it a problem?

 

[Ristol]

Fuck Canada anyway

 

[dilla]

I haven't seen too much in the news about it, at least not in the last 3 months, but you're not going to know if it will be a problem until shit starts happening.

And it will be difficult to prove that someone coming in after an extended stay overseas in certain countries weren't working for ISIS.

But I also don't think the number of people that left Canada to go to those countries is a very high number.

 

[masta247]

As of now, my understanding is that we're talking about Canadian citizens who are returning to Canada that have been to Syria, Iraq and such, some of which might have been in Isis. Realistically, what could you do about those if you have no proof whatsoever whether they were in Isis or not? Many of those people are just coming back from the middle east and are completely legit. The situation is different if there is evidence that someone was in Isis, obviously. Those people are getting tried.

I don't think the actions of Canada are all that much different compared to those of any other countries. And I can't imagine it being any other way. I have friends here in Canada who are from Syria, one of my best buddies over here is, and he is also an executive at EY, which has its presence in Syria too, so he sometimes travels back and forth. Some of those guys are great people, they have been in and out of Syria, so making life difficult for thousands of them would be a horrible thing to do.

Honestly, a bigger problem Canada, and especially Ontario seem to have is gun smuggling from the US, and refugees coming in from the US illegally. Those are the bigger issues that the border services seem to have at the moment.

 

[_carmi]

As of now, my understanding is that we're talking about Canadian citizens who are returning to Canada that have been to Syria, Iraq and such, some of which might have been in Isis. Realistically, what could you do about those if you have no proof whatsoever whether they were in Isis or not? Many of those people are just coming back from the middle east and are completely legit. The situation is different if there is evidence that someone was in Isis, obviously. Those people are getting tried.

I don't think the actions of Canada are all that much different compared to those of any other countries. And I can't imagine it being any other way. I have friends here in Canada who are from Syria, one of my best buddies over here is, and he is also an executive at EY, which has its presence in Syria too, so he sometimes travels back and forth. Some of those guys are great people, they have been in and out of Syria, so making life difficult for thousands of them would be a horrible thing to do.

Honestly, a bigger problem Canada, and especially Ontario seem to have is gun smuggling from the US, and refugees coming in from the US illegally. Those are the bigger issues that the border services seem to have at the moment.

Agreed. The refugee issue is big right now. I know in Quebec it was a thing until a couple of weeks ago.

I haven’t heard much about Canadians coming back and working possibly for ISIS either. You can’t prove they do and you can’t prove they don’t.

 

[Tha_Wood]

I think the refugee issue is pretty big worldwide nowadays. I know we've been dealing with it in Australia for a long time now. What's your guys stances on allowing refugees in? I seem to be in the minority of people I know and am not really for it.

 

[dilla]

I think the refugee issue is pretty big worldwide nowadays. I know we've been dealing with it in Australia for a long time now. What's your guys stances on allowing refugees in? I seem to be in the minority of people I know and am not really for it.

As far as the US is concerned, on the one hand we are all immigrants save for the native Americans. On the other hand, it really seems like the crime rate is much higher in the refugee community. It could be a bias and I don't have the numbers, but if it's an "outsider" that commits a crime, it will garner plenty more media attention. They go full force in extracting whatever they can from the story and the fact it was a foreigner (terorrism? ISIS?) and then they stop just short of fixing the issue and then it becomes very PC. "Islamophobia" is a word now, much like "transphobia" and it's often used to shut down conversations about a resolution. So we don't get very far when talking about the solution to the problem.

Trump says he only wants "the good people" and, on paper, that sounds really nice. The problem is he hasn't laid out what constitutes "good." Education? Work? Skills? Criminal record? I think at some point there will be talks about basing it on skin color and how some countries are left out and others are allowed in, seemingly more leniently.

I guess that's immigration in general and not specifically the refugee issues most countries are having. I don't really hold any discriminatory views on Mexicans or hispanics in general. If it were up to me, It would literally be about education/skills and criminal record. If they can contribute to society and improve it and they don't have any serious crimes or drug ties, then I think accommodations should be made for those people first. I don't want anyone dying on our country's doorstep trying to flee a shit situation. But since we have borders, someone has to play the role of the arbiter and I think a good place to start would be people fleeing that will have minimal issues assimilating and settling down in the US once their here. And I think their ability to work will be the most important factor, which usually ties in with education.

Otherwise, I hear some of the horror stories in Germany and other EU countries involving assault and theft and it just doesn't seem like something the US is ready for right now with tensions already high, politically speaking.

 

[JadeStorm]

I've been in a few countries (Middle East) where they had a large refugee population, generally they lived in refugee camps, where conditions there are no jobs or limited opportunity for work or even integrating into society of the host nation. Something else also is that a refugee often even if they speak the same language as the host country there is a bias. In Western countries integration of immigrants tends to be more comprehensive, better thought out, and more welcoming in general barring the average red neck. I do believe in verification not just for a refugee but if a citizen traveled to these countries. I personally think that an immigrant would work harder not just because they need things, but to prove themselves. There are bad apples in every group each person is independent and is not responsible for the actions of others.