What's going on in the world according to FlipMo & Friends.

[Flipmo]

I figured since we sometimes miss stories or only pick and choose horrible stuff. We can have a thread that will discuss a range of issues and news going on in the world right now. It doesn't only have to be bad stuff, it can be cool local stories.

That being said, I think most people at the moment have their eyes on the "Horn of Africa" famine, specifically that of Somalia...

(PS: If someone has a better name or idea for this thread - please feel free to make the changes, as I can't... I am no longer a Supermod *wink, wink, nudge, nudge*)

 

[Rukas]

Renamed.

 

[dilla]

Some bitch cut her dude's dick off a few weeks ago. The feminists applauding it and assuming he raped her or something makes me nauseous when I read it. Haven't felt that lonely or vulnerable like that before.

 

[Flipmo]

Not what imagined by a name change - but I cannot hate.

As for the penis slicing part... this 3rd wave of feminism lacks a single, defined cause. For the most part, they all remind me of numerous different fringe groups complaining about different things and being more extreme than others.

 

[dilla]

Not what imagined by a name change - but I cannot hate.

As for the penis slicing part... this 3rd wave of feminism lacks a single, defined cause. For the most part, they all remind me of numerous different fringe groups complaining about different things, and some being more extreme than others.

You know when you do something you don't wanna do? Something you're afraid of doing and so you sit there and wait to build up the courage, finally it comes, and you put your head down and just keep going, even once it's done? That's how I feel feminism is today. In many aspects of society women are not equal, but are given special treatment and the benefit of the doubt. The wage gap myth and false rape accusations are ones are the ones that really irk me the most. But I digress.

This warms my heart, though:

 

[S O F I]

the false wage gap is not a myth.

the best thing about the whole male slicing scenario is all the women who were posting the article on facebook and applauding it. it was very easy to assume they wasn't getting the secks.

 

[dilla]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...6250672504707048.html?mod=WSJ_hp_mostpop_read
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/employment/news/article.cfm?c_id=11&objectid=10735796
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/22/opinion/22Sommers.html?ref=opinion

We learned about this in school. Come on. This isn't the 1970s.

 

[S O F I]

"A study of single, childless urban workers between the ages of 22 and 30 found that women earned 8% more than men."

That's hardly a study worthy of dispelling "the myth", as you call it.

While it is true that a lot of the income disparity can be contributed to women having children, working fewer hours, and taking less demanding jobs, that doesn't mean there is no income disparity whatsoever. Women are still less likely to get promoted to higher positions.

Also, there exists a world outside of the US. I'm not talking Saudia Arabia. How about Europe:

http://www.economist.com/node/13215844

or:

http://www.economist.com/node/15174418

"One obvious problem is that women’s rising aspirations have not been fulfilled. They have been encouraged to climb onto the occupational ladder only to discover that the middle rungs are dominated by men and the upper rungs are out of reach. Only 2% of the bosses of Fortune 500 companies and five of those in the FTSE 100 stockmarket index are women. Women make up less than 13% of board members in America. The upper ranks of management consultancies and banks are dominated by men. In America and Britain the typical full-time female worker earns only about 80% as much as the typical male."

The article's about a year and a half old but not much has changed I'd argue.

An article from this year:

"Yet the number of female bosses of large firms remains stubbornly small. Not a single one on France’s CAC 40 share index or on Germany’s DAX index is run by a woman. In America, only 15 chief executives of Fortune 500 companies are women. Britain does better, but not much: five of the FTSE-100 firms have female bosses."

"But corporate women start to fall behind their male peers right from the beginning. They are less aggressive than men when negotiating their first salary and every subsequent pay rise. Linda Babcock of Carnegie Mellon University found that her male graduate students secured starting salaries 7.6% higher than her female graduate students. In general, men are four times more likely to ask for a pay rise than women are. Compounded over time, this makes a huge difference.
The higher you gaze up the corporate ladder, the fewer women you see. According to Catalyst, a researcher in New York, women are 37% of the middle managers in big American firms, 28% of the senior managers and a mere 14% of executive-committee members.
Is discrimination to blame? While firms that discriminate a lot will be eclipsed by those that promote on merit (and possibly sued), that can take time. And men do persistently underestimate women, argues Herminia Ibarra of INSEAD, a business school in France. Ms Ibarra looked at more than 20,000 assessments of INSEAD’s executive students. Male work colleagues of the women judged them to be just as capable as the men (or more so) in most areas, but thought that they lacked strategic vision. No such lack was seen when their female work colleagues judged the students."

http://www.economist.com/node/18988694

 

[dilla]

Well have you thought of women simply turning down the high paying jobs because of the hours?

And if women were paid less simply for being women, why aren't companies hiring all women to save costs? There are quotas that require a minimum amount of women in a company, but there is no maximum. They could fire all the males and save the 10% wage gap difference.

 

[ArtsyGirl]

Don't be stupid. Companies would collapse if women were running the shit.

 

[dilla]

Don't be stupid. Companies would collapse if women were running the shit.

I can't tell if this is sarcasm. But I think in today's world, companies would collapse if they were run completely by one gender. But I think forcing quotas just allows for less qualified candidates (male or female) to enter into a profession in the name of "equality."

There's just this hit put on white males that lumps all males together and fucks all of them in the ass. Whether it be in business or in the family. A lot of times the guy gets royally fucked.

Women get fucked on things too. Maybe even more. But it seems like feminists attitudes are to get both sexes fucked on equal number of things, but the result is they get what they want at the expense of men. There needs to be a new movement for "human rights" and get this shit sorted out. It's almost like two political parties at odds, fighting it out. Everyone loses.

 

[masta247]

Well, I live in a country which (according to the study) has one of the smallest disproportions (top 3, about 7%). I can tell that there is a disproportion. You will often see ambitious females who do often more work than their male counterparts and get paid less. For example in my mom's company she gets 2.2 of the average pay while men on the same position are getting 2.7 and there's nothing you can do about it.
Science, engineering - these are the areas that quite frankly a small minority of females can cope with, but when they do they get much lower salaries.

Also jobs that are 'dominated' by females are usually low-paid. It's not that they are oppressed, it's just that these jobs aren't as demanding. Because females usually pick much less skill-demanding careers which result in lower salaries. Careers aren't as important for them, they work less hours etc.
However the problem is that when a female succeeds at becoming a specialist in IT, business (especially in technical companies) or engineering she'd get paid less and it'd be very hard for her to be promoted, often a less skilled man will get promoted instead. While the first factor is obvious and feminists should shut their mouths about it or learn a skill instead the latter one is an existing issue.
It's not without merits though. At my university every year there are about 200 new IT students accepted. About 10-15 of them are females. There are very few females that make it past the first semester (1-2 every year). Actually females paradoxically have it a bit easier too. The situation is often even worse with other majors at the university of technology. Different genders are expected to do different things better.

 

[dilla]

Well, I live in a country which (according to the study) has one of the smallest disproportions (top 3, about 7%). I can tell that there is a disproportion. You will often see ambitious females who do often more work than their male counterparts and get paid less. For example in my mom's company she gets 2.2 of the average pay while men on the same position are getting 2.7 and there's nothing you can do about it.
Science, engineering - these are the areas that quite frankly a small minority of females can cope with, but when they do they get much lower salaries.

Also jobs that are 'dominated' by females are usually low-paid. It's true that females usually pick much less skill-demanding careers which result in lower salaries but also when they become specialists in IT, business (especially in technical companies) or engineering they get paid less and it's very hard for them to be promoted, often a less skilled man will get promoted instead. While the first factor is obvious and feminists should shut their mouths about it or learn a skill instead the latter one is an existing issue.

Hmm. Interesting. I don't spend much time researching this stuff, but I've seen debates where I tended to agree, with the evidence presented, that the gap was small(er) or non-existant in most cases. Of course, as we've seen, numbers and articles can be twisted to make an argument for either side, so...

But in the US, health care professionals are increasingly employing more women. Here's one example I've read about.

Nursing is a field that is heavily dominated by females. If a male enters that field, he's either ridiculed or seem as a pervert. I don't think a profession has a barrier quite like nursing. I mean, there are occupations that are equally dominated by men, like mining or military or construction, but it's not such an attractive option. At least not as much as nursing, where there's a good bit of money to be made.

 

[masta247]

there are occupations that are equally dominated by men, like mining or military or construction, but it's not such an attractive option. At least not as much as nursing, where there's a good bit of money to be made.

Here it's exactly the opposite. Nursing is one of the least paid occupations, just a bit over the minimum wage. Its equivalent would be police or fire dept - 'manly' and rather poorly paid jobs here.
Mining, military are well paid. Yeah, construction would be the equivalent of nursing too, it doesn't pay great.
However a lot of Polish females are professionals. I worked as a project manager for a rather expensive and pretty big Polish consulting company and it was dominated by females. 3/4 of project managers there are female. There are companies (older, more 'traditional', 'dying' if you will) that employ mostly males and males get higher salaries on the same positions and promotions almost exclusively.

 

[keco52]

This was not in the news but my co-workers daughter went to a tanning bed and a ballast malfunctioned and now she has 2nd and 3rd degree burns on one whole side of her body. It cooked here.

 

[S O F I]

Well have you thought of women simply turning down the high paying jobs because of the hours?

And if women were paid less simply for being women, why aren't companies hiring all women to save costs? There are quotas that require a minimum amount of women in a company, but there is no maximum. They could fire all the males and save the 10% wage gap difference.

I acknowledged the working fewer hours thing. However, it doesn't account for the whole disparity, not even combined with other factors I mentioned.

Companies aren't hiring all women to save costs because that's called discrimination, buddy. Also, usually, the prejudice behind the income disparity is that they don't perform on the job as well as males do. So why hire all women and go bankrupt, etc..you get the point.

 

[Flipmo]

This was not in the news but my co-workers daughter went to a tanning bed and a ballast malfunctioned and now she has 2nd and 3rd degree burns on one whole side of her body. It cooked here.

People seriously have to leave these tanning beds alone. They're so bad for your skin its incredible...

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[S O F I]

There's just this hit put on white males that lumps all males together and fucks all of them in the ass. Whether it be in business or in the family. A lot of times the guy gets royally fucked.

I was wondering why the NYT article you posted is written by a resident at the American Enterprise Institute, a Koch brothers' right-wing consiracy haven. It's all clear now.

I'm not going to advise you to stop reading conservative nonsense, but at least try to read at loud to yourself the shit you're reading.

WHITE

MALES

getting royally fucked? As opposed to whom? Come on.

You're like that one law professor from Chicago (coincidence?) with a wife for a doctor, who was whining abou tax hikes because he couldn't afford to live on a $250,000 a year combined income. You sound as foolish as him.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...rich-blog-20100923_1_law-professor-blog-taxes

 

[S O F I]

This was not in the news but my co-workers daughter went to a tanning bed and a ballast malfunctioned and now she has 2nd and 3rd degree burns on one whole side of her body. It cooked here.

Her lucky day, right?

That's one big pay day.

 

[dilla]

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/07/28/husband-of-wrong-way-motorist-who-killed-seven-sues-state-other/

I totally agree in this situation with the husband. His wife was high and drunk when she made the decision to drive drunk. She shouldn't be held accountable for her actions while high and drunk. The people in the other lane should not have been driving if they were unable to avoid a car coming at them from the opposite direction. They should have known she was drunk and high and taken caution while driving past her. They could have taken action, but she clearly couldn't.

Plus, the husband's brother-in-law...what a lazy shit! He had someone else pick up his kids in his minivan? Throw him in jail too. Fucking asshole doesn't know his sister was gonna get drunk and high that day.

This is just sickening. RIP lady. The good die young.