Why Does Eminem Get All The Blame?

[jason_g_718]

I was just wondering why Eminem seems to get all the blame for a less than stellar performance on Loyal To The Game.

I mean, I see all these people talking about "Em should have done this", "Em should have done that", talking about how it was a disgrace to slow down or speed up Pac's vocals to match beats.

Me personally, I only think there's one beat overall that is horrible (Thug 4 Life). The rest of the beats aren't horrible, they're just not good. Or..well, I mean, they're OK is what I'm saying.

But, people keep putting the sole blame on Eminem when Afeni Shakur is the one that approves the final product. Also, don't forget EDI, Kastro and Noble have a lot of say into the final product too. I mean, I remember even reading an interview just after LTTG dropped where EDI straight out said that the three Outlawz and Afeni make the final say. Some people have used the petty excuse "Afeni is a 55 year old mother who is not in touch with the state of hip hop and therefore doesn't necessarily know what she's doing". However, EDI, Kastro and Noble ALL are up to date with the state of hip hop, and they should know better.

So...just like with Janet's titty slip at the Super Bowl, while Justin Timberlake was the one that tore of part of her clothing, he got no blame and it all landed on her.

Same thing goes with this. Sure, Eminem should get some of the blame, but not all of it. Since Afeni and the 3 Outlawz have the final say, I wish some people would start blasting them too.

 

[Butt Rubber]

who produced soldior like me? who produced who do ya luv? who produced thug 4 life? who produced crooked nigga too? who produced loyal to the game with gunit? who produced hennessy with obie trice? who admitted he only put 3 days of work into 13 songs? who produced a song, and decided to leave off extra Pac verses on 2pacs own album (ie Nigga and Uppercut)? who had to slow down Pacs vocals to fit half of his beats?


thats why Eminem gets the blame

 

[alleyezonme12]

eminems production was weak through the whole album. for the first time pacs words were being slowed down or sped up and the incluion of em's g-unit friends on the album and making it seem like pac was shouting them out was just too far...

 

[yak pac fatal]

afeni and tha lawz should get blamed
1.afeni for being cheap
2.the lawz because they cant rap and do something right but they want to do both

yo and eminem isnt a good producer
he has to make pac fit his beat

 

[Killa]

^^case closed..

 

[Butt Rubber]

Also, don't forget EDI, Kastro and Noble have a lot of say into the final product too. .

they've been getting blame for the past 4 years, ever since UTEOT came out

apparently you must've never posted in the Life forum before Loyal to the Game came out since you've never noticed these things


You mention howAfeni approved of Eminems production as well. That would shoulder the blame on both Afeni and Eminem

 

[Dante]

one em track ok. two, i can deal with it. but 13 is outrageous. em is a rapper, not a producer. it was the same thing as getting wesley snipes to produce the cd. makes no sense at all. we waited two years for this album and we got a 3 day piece of shit. i think people are justified in dissing eminem, since i'm sure he didn't try to complete his own album in only 3 days.

 

[jason_g_718]

who produced soldior like me? who produced who do ya luv? who produced thug 4 life? who produced crooked nigga too? who produced loyal to the game with gunit? who produced hennessy with obie trice? who admitted he only put 3 days of work into 13 songs? who produced a song, and decided to leave off extra Pac verses on 2pacs own album (ie Nigga and Uppercut)? who had to slow down Pacs vocals to fit half of his beats?


thats why Eminem gets the blame

OK...tons of holes in your answer.

1. LTTG IS NOT the first time verses have been altered in some way
2. LTTG IS NOT the first time people have been taken off a song

As for all your questions "who produced this? Who produced that?" Who APPROVED THE PRODUCT AS FINISHED? Not Eminem.

In regards to how many days it took to do it, none of y'all were bitching when it was revealed that Pac recorded Makaveli in 3 days. or did you forget about that?

Don't get me wrong, your hatred for Eminem is blinding you. I completely agree that Eminem should get some blame. But...NOT ALL OF IT. Afeni and the remaining Outlawz should get just as much blame.

 

[My_Dyin_Day04]

How bout Em...
-made Pac say things he never said
-Slowed/speed the vocals up to fit his shit pop beats
-Took out OG artists and replaced them with mediorce shit
-Took out Pacs OG lines including one of Pacs best lines (Ghetto Gospel missing line)
-Changed the message of the songs to suit himself
-Only spent 3 days on the album

Yes Afeni should get some of the blame but it was mainly Em's fault

 

[yak pac fatal]

In regards to how many days it took to do it, none of y'all were bitching when it was revealed that Pac recorded Makaveli in 3 days. or did you forget about that?

makaveli = 7 days more then eminem

 

[jason_g_718]

eminems production was weak through the whole album. for the first time pacs words were being slowed down or sped up and the incluion of em's g-unit friends on the album and making it seem like pac was shouting them out was just too far...

Everyone is telling me why they're blaming Eminem for a poor product. These are reasons that not only do I agree with, but I've heard before.

But nobody is telling me why nobody is putting blame on Afeni and the Lawz as well, who approved the product. Afeni could have told Em to change anything she wanted.

I ask for reasons why Afeni and the Lawz aren't getting any blame at all and so far all people are doing is telling me why they blame Eminem. Yeah, I already know those reasons.

If people can't give me a reason why Afeni and the Lawz aren't getting any blame, then it's obvious to me it's just straight out bias against Eminem, who SHOULD GET SOME BLAME, but not all of it.

 

[yak pac fatal]

How bout Em...
-made Pac say things he never said
-Slowed/speed the vocals up to fit his shit pop beats
-Took out OG artists and replaced them with mediorce shit
-Took out Pacs OG lines including one of Pacs best lines (Ghetto Gospel missing line)
-Changed the message of the songs to suit himself
-Only spent 3 days on the album

Yes Afeni should get some of the blame but it was mainly Em's fault

-agreed
-agreed
-disagreed because afeni takes out the og artist because she doesnt want 2 pay them
-agreed
-agreed
-agreed

 

[yak pac fatal]

Everyone is telling me why they're blaming Eminem for a poor product. These are reasons that not only do I agree with, but I've heard before.

But nobody is telling me why nobody is putting blame on Afeni and the Lawz as well, who approved the product. Afeni could have told Em to change anything she wanted.

I ask for reasons why Afeni and the Lawz aren't getting any blame at all and so far all people are doing is telling me why they blame Eminem. Yeah, I already know those reasons.

If people can't give me a reason why Afeni and the Lawz aren't getting any blame, then it's obvious to me it's just straight out bias against Eminem, who SHOULD GET SOME BLAME, but not all of it.

i blamed mostly afeni and outlawz :thumb:

 

[Butt Rubber]

OK...tons of holes in your answer.

1. LTTG IS NOT the first time verses have been altered in some way
2. LTTG IS NOT the first time people have been taken off a song

As for all your questions "who produced this? Who produced that?" Who APPROVED THE PRODUCT AS FINISHED? Not Eminem.

In regards to how many days it took to do it, none of y'all were bitching when it was revealed that Pac recorded Makaveli in 3 days. or did you forget about that?

Don't get me wrong, your hatred for Eminem is blinding you. I completely agree that Eminem should get some blame. But...NOT ALL OF IT. Afeni and the remaining Outlawz should get just as much blame.

ive actually been an eminem fan for years, and i was one of the 2% of the board who (prior to LTTG being leaked) was supporting Eminem for this project, so you can get back to the real discussion and shut the fuck up about "my hatrid blinding me"

Just because Eminem isn't the only one to fuck up a 2pac album doesnt mean its excusable. I think its been atleast 6 months since I made a positive comment about the Outlawz or Johnny J either.

2pac recording vocals for DK7 in 7 days is much different from producing. Pac had various producers who put in much time for the beats. all 2pac had to do was drop vocals over the beats, so his vocals automatically fit them. eminem wasnt rapping on this album, he was producing , atleast Johnny Js shitty beats on UTEOT and Better Dayz still fit the tempo for 2pacs vocals

 

[jason_g_718]

they've been getting blame for the past 4 years, ever since UTEOT came out

apparently you must've never posted in the Life forum before Loyal to the Game came out since you've never noticed these things

I post in Life all the time. Granted up until a week ago, I hadn't posted in this section for about a good 3 or 4 months, but save for that short time period, and I post here all the time. But I never see the Lawz getting any blame. When the album first dropped I admittedly did see some people attacking Afeni and putting blame on her as well. But that has like completely died out and now everyone is acting like Eminem was the sole architect of the product. Everyone forgets, or act like they forgot that 4 other people make the final say, and if Afeni hadn't approved Em's work, we wouldn't hae gotten it.

You mention howAfeni approved of Eminems production as well. That would shoulder the blame on both Afeni and Eminem

I agree with you, completely. I think Eminem, Afeni, EDI, Kastro and Noble ARE ALL EQUALLY TO BLAME FOR A BAD PRODUCT.

And I even put that last sentence in bold so that people don't forget that I'm not trying to take blame away from Em, I'm just making sure that people forget he didn't have sole responsibility for the product.

What I think is funny is, when Resurrection soundtrack dropped, this board was pretty much split 50/50 in regards to their thoughts on the 3 original songs Em produced for it. For every person who said Em didn't do a good job, there was a person who thought Em did a great job.

And to the person who said that Eminem is not a good producer because he had to make Pac's vocals fit his beats. Poor production on one album doesn't constitute you as a bad producer. It means you had a slump. Prior to LTTG, a lot of Eminem's production has ranged from "average decent hip hop song" to "fucking fabulous".

I mean, people cannot deny the stellar sounds of songs such as Lose Yourself, We All Die One Day, Average Man, Soldier, White America, Till I Collapse, Like Toy Soldiers, We Aint and We As Americans

 

[alleyezonme12]

eminem produced the album, and afeni let him, she couldnt change what he had done, she is not a producer

is afeni happy with the album....who knows??

 

[yak pac fatal]

eminem produced the album, and afeni let him, she couldnt change what he had done, she is not a producer

is afeni happy with the album....who knows??

its her fault she let em produce the album because shes so damn cheap

 

[jason_g_718]

one em track ok. two, i can deal with it. but 13 is outrageous. em is a rapper, not a producer. it was the same thing as getting wesley snipes to produce the cd. makes no sense at all. we waited two years for this album and we got a 3 day piece of shit. i think people are justified in dissing eminem, since i'm sure he didn't try to complete his own album in only 3 days.

Well, I agree and disagree with you. I do agree with you that Afeni should have had a few producers on the album.

However, you saying Em is "a rapper, not a producer" is wrong. First of all, he's been producing for himself and other local Detroit acts since 1995. He produced half the MMLP, he produced all of TES (save for like 2 or 3 songs), he produced most of both the D12 records, he produced all of "Cheers" (save for a song or two), he produced all the ORIGINAL songs for the 8 Mile soundtrack, he produced three songs for the Resurrection soundtrack (which a lot of people here at the time said he did a great job), he produced most of Encore, he's produced for Jay Z (the only guest artist Jay Z had on his album), he's produced for 50 Cent and Jadakiss.

So he very much so is both a rapper and producer, and you know damn well he wouldn't be the first.

And in regards to saying Em only took 3 days to do the album and "I bet he wouldn't take only 3 days with his own album.". Who knows...but Pac did. Guess it's ok if youre name is 2pac, but not if it's Eminem.

 

[yak pac fatal]

Well, I agree and disagree with you. I do agree with you that Afeni should have had a few producers on the album.

However, you saying Em is "a rapper, not a producer" is wrong. First of all, he's been producing for himself and other local Detroit acts since 1995. He produced half the MMLP, he produced all of TES (save for like 2 or 3 songs), he produced most of both the D12 records, he produced all of "Cheers" (save for a song or two), he produced all the ORIGINAL songs for the 8 Mile soundtrack, he produced three songs for the Resurrection soundtrack (which a lot of people here at the time said he did a great job), he produced most of Encore, he's produced for Jay Z (the only guest artist Jay Z had on his album), he's produced for 50 Cent and Jadakiss.

So he very much so is both a rapper and producer, and you know damn well he wouldn't be the first.

And in regards to saying Em only took 3 days to do the album and "I bet he wouldn't take only 3 days with his own album.". Who knows...but Pac did. Guess it's ok if youre name is 2pac, but not if it's Eminem.

em wasnt even producin in 95 he was broke and i dont think he even started recordin his infinte album till 1996 after 2pacs death

 

[jason_g_718]

How bout Em...
-made Pac say things he never said

I agree here, but I know why people are blaming Em. That's not what I need to know. I made a thread asking why Afeni and the Lawz get no blame and all people can do is tell me why they're putting sole blame on Eminem. I already know why people blame Eminem, that's not what I'm asking.

-Slowed/speed the vocals up to fit his shit pop beats

See, I'm sorry, but this shit really doesn't bother me.

-Took out OG artists and replaced them with mediorce shit

Not the first time this was done. Pac's vocals have been messed with and altered in some fashion since either RUSD or UTEOT. So this excuse doesn't and won't fly with me. This shit was being done before Em did it.

-Took out Pacs OG lines including one of Pacs best lines (Ghetto Gospel missing line)

Again, this had been done to some of Pac's OG stuff before LTTG, so to me, it's irrelevant.

-Changed the message of the songs to suit himself

Another thing that had been done PRIOR to Eminem ever working on Pac stuff.

-Only spent 3 days on the album

Pac did this himself, so, again, it's an excuse that doesn't fly with me.

Yes Afeni should get some of the blame but it was mainly Em's fault

Bullshit. How can it be "mainly Em's fault" when Afeni approved the final fucking product? I just don't get that.