Charlie sheen vs barrack obama !!!

Let's just assume you're right. For fuck's sake. Why not? You're right. The "gubmint" blew up the towers.


Hazard a guess at how many people, at all levels, would need to be "in the loop" on this to make it function smoothly. I'm just saying, what are the numbers here? A few hundred? Close to a thousand? How many government officials, military planners, generals, WTC-7 controlled demo-riggers, financial people to implement the "big money scam", etc?

How many?
How many? Heaps buddy, ontop of the ones that don't even know they are being manipulated. Similar to most of the mass public really, wait for my disclaimer.....IMO.

So that it for you isnt it? That it's too big a coverup to have ever happened ? You think us crazy conspiricy theorists would rather blame their own government than a ghost terrorist thats so easy to hate ? Seriously ?

Maybe, who knows with you Dukey boy.
 

Duke

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How many? Heaps buddy, ontop of the ones that don't even know they are being manipulated. Similar to most of the mass public really, wait for my disclaimer.....IMO.

So that it for you isnt it? That it's too big a coverup to have ever happened ? You think us crazy conspiricy theorists would rather blame their own government than a ghost terrorist thats so easy to hate ? Seriously ?

Maybe, who knows with you Dukey boy.


Yes, that's exactly it. There's a relation between the malignancy of a scheme and the amount of people it can support. Sooner or later you'll run into a good samaritan. And as conspirators, you can't keep knocking them off.

I am totally convinced that in every government, moreso in the powerful ones, are truckloads of nasty people that care little for anything else than their own gain. We, the public, ARE being lied to. Constantly. From all angles. That's no secret. Of course you should question everything.

But this? 9/11? Executed by your own government? No. Just no. In modern day society, it would be simply impossible to keep a conspiracy like 9/11, of that size and such obvious impact, under the radar.


Then you can go to the second level. Where one can argue that the US might've known that "something" was imminent and for strategic reasons decided to sit it out. I'm capable of discussing that to a certain degree.

But the US doing 9/11 themselves? C'mon.

And a picture of an advisor with Bin Laden don't mean shit. If the kid you went to elementary school with turns out a hatchet murderer it doesn't mean you helped bury his victims.

Apart from that it's well known that Bin Laden was and is a religious extremist and a terrorist with a wide network of operations. That's not a fantasy story. Go ask the Russians. Or are they in the loop too?

Regardless, I promised myself I wouldn't get specific, so I'll leave it at that.
 
If the kid you went to elementary school with turns out a hatchet murderer it doesn't mean you helped bury his victims.

Apart from that it's well known that Bin Laden was and is a religious extremist and a terrorist with a wide network of operations. That's not a fantasy story. Go ask the Russians. Or are they in the loop too?
Who do you think funded Bin Laden when the Taliban were fighting the Russians? The US of A! We gave them billions of dollars. We funded Bin Laden! "A religious extremist and a terrorist with a wide network of operations."

What name did we give them? "The Freedom Fighters." (lol!)


Think of it this way. If me and you were in some sort of struggle, and we were fighting in a room, and somebody else comes in and they hand you a set of kitchen knives, and they said "yo, do your thing," and they leave the room and lock the door. Even though they're not physically in the room, them not being there does not alleviate them from the moral responsibility that's involved in their participation in our struggle.

Peace
 
How many? Heaps buddy, ontop of the ones that don't even know they are being manipulated. Similar to most of the mass public really, wait for my disclaimer.....IMO.

So that it for you isnt it? That it's too big a coverup to have ever happened ? You think us crazy conspiricy theorists would rather blame their own government than a ghost terrorist thats so easy to hate ? Seriously ?

Maybe, who knows with you Dukey boy.
Check out the bibliography dude, please. And if nothing else, go down to the near the bottom of the page, and just check out the stuff under the heading.....

"Highly Credible People Question 9/11"

If even these people can see the possibility Dukey ol boy, why the fuck can't you ?

Because what, it would just be too big a coverup? Come off it, seriously.
 

Duke

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Who do you think funded Bin Laden when the Taliban were fighting the Russians? The US of A! We gave them billions of dollars. We funded Bin Laden! "A religious extremist and a terrorist with a wide network of operations."

What name did we give them? "The Freedom Fighters." (lol!)


Think of it this way. If me and you were in some sort of struggle, and we were fighting in a room, and somebody else comes in and they hand you a set of kitchen knives, and they said "yo, do your thing," and they leave the room and lock the door. Even though they're not physically in the room, them not being there does not alleviate them from the moral responsibility that's involved in their participation in our struggle.

Peace

Uhm, I sort of said that already....USA funding Laden and the Afghani's during the Afghan war....that's sort of, common knowledge and shit.

Of course they supported Bin Laden. Bin laden hated the Russians more at that time. They supported the Afghans for their own benefit. Like they supported Batista, the Shah and then Saddam when the Shah was kicked out. This is no secret. I do not understand your point.
 

Duke

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Check out the bibliography dude, please. And if nothing else, go down to the near the bottom of the page, and just check out the stuff under the heading.....

"Highly Credible People Question 9/11"

If even these people can see the possibility Dukey ol boy, why the fuck can't you ?

Because what, it would just be too big a coverup? Come off it, seriously.


A list of "highly credible people". Ok, I managed not to laugh. It's a list of people that ask questions. Not a list of people that yell "conspiracy".

The only reason 9/11 wasn't investigated more properly is because then we would learn the government fucked up on all feasible security levels. It'd be embarassing.

Also, a "list of highly credible people" must be the worst argument I've ever seen. I can make a list just like that which says "a list of highly credible people that don't doubt 9/11 was executed by terrorist assholes".


And no, I didn't read the entire shebang. I've read some of them back in the day and they all say the same.

They work in the typical tinfoil-hat way. They focus on tiny tiny tiny details, then scrap it all together and say 'THEY R HIDING SUMTHING LULZ".

Let's take this for example:

Briefing Number 11
Hundreds of eye witnesses including first responders, fire captains, news reporters, and police, all described multiple explosions in both towers before and during the collapse. Eyewitness accounts of bombs and explosions can be found at the following links.
9-11 Research: Eyewitness Accounts
United in Courage - 9/11 WTC Eyewitness Accounts
What am I supposed to think about this? Explosions when the towers collapsed? Omg, hard noise when huge buildings fall over. The surprise.

Bombs and explosions? Oh c'mon, make up your mind. Was it a plane? Was it a bomb? Was it a bomb plane?


PUH-LEASE. See this is the critical pitfall that so got to you.

THEY OFFER NOTHING. They yell something. Like people thinking they hear bombs when the towers went down. FFS, they don't offer a well-presented case for why in God's name would the conspirators rig the buildings with explosives, THEN go to great lengths to fly a plane into it.

It all does not make sense.


Briefing Number 12
An astounding video uncovered from the archives shows BBC News correspondent Jane Standley reporting on the collapse of WTC Building 7 over twenty minutes before it fell at 5:20pm on the afternoon of 9/11. Tapes from earlier BBC broadcasts show news anchors discussing the collapse of WTC 7 a full 26 minutes in advance. The BBC at first claimed that their tapes from 9/11 had been "lost" before admitting that they made the "error" of reporting the collapse of WTC 7 before it happened without adequately explaining how they could have obtained advance knowledge of the event.
In addition, over an hour before the collapse of WTC 7, at 4:10pm, CNN's Aaron Brown reported that the building "has either collapsed, or is collapsing.
BBC Reported Building 7 Had Collapsed 20 Minutes Before It Fell
Aaaaah, selective reading, isn't it a peach. First off, it was known before WTC7 collapsed that the building had suffered great structural failure and was in danger of collapse. That deals with the FACTS.


Now let's see what this snippet of info is implying. Good question, what IS it implying? There's a discrepancy in the timeframe? Ok, so....what am I to make of this? Are the journalists in on it too?! :unsure: Did the gubmint make an effort to collapse WTC7 and make sure the public never knew it actually collapsed half an hour earlier than was reported? OMG OMG OMG.





Another one? I scrolled down to, what was it?



U.S. Air Force fighter pilot, former instructor at the USAF Fighter Weapons School and NATO’s Tactical Leadership Program, with a 20-year Air Force career (Lt. Colonel Guy S. Razer) said the following:



Lieutenant Colonel Guy S. Razer! Funnily enough, nothing really reliable can be found about this man. One of the first hits I clicked when I googled his name:



Something odd about Lt. Col. Guy S. Razer - JREF Forum

Quote:
Lt. Col. Guy S. Razer, MS, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Retired U.S. Air Force fighter pilot (F-111, F-15E, F-16, B-1, F-18, Mig-29, and Suu-22). Flew combat missions over Iraq. Former instructor at the USAF Fighter Weapons School and NATO’s Tactical Leadership Program."

From a 911 blog. Now, isn't that interesting. Look at that amount of flown aircraft. You know what's that called?


Bullshit. No fighter jock flies that amount of aircraft. The B-1 is even a bomber, the 18 is a Navy aircraft and there's only a minimal chance he flew the two Russian planes.

So, could the 9/11 movement have just pulled this guy from their ass cos it would look good? Who knows!



Another?

Briefing Number 6

Three F-16s assigned to Andrews Air Force Base, ten miles from Washington, DC, are conducting training exercises in North Carolina 207 miles away as the first plane crashes into the WTC. Even if these planes had traveled at significantly less than their top speed of 1500 mph, they could still have been defending the skies over Washington well before 9am, more than 37 minutes before Flight 77 crashes into the Pentagon, however, they did not return until after 9:55am.Andrews AFB had no armed fighters on alert and ready to take off on the morning of 9/11.



Of course they can't help, chances are low that they are flying a training mission with live ammunition. And it doesn't strike me as odd that Andrews AFB wouldn't have an intercept package ready. Seeing as the last attack on US soil was aeons ago.





Another good one here:


Briefing number 14
The size of a Boeing 757 is approximately 125ft in width and yet images of the impact zone at the Pentagon supposedly caused by the crash merely show a hole no more than 16ft in diameter. The engines of the 757 would have punctured a hole bigger than this, never mind the whole plane. Images before the partial collapse of the impact zone show little real impact damage and a sparse debris field completely inconsistent with the crash of a large jetliner, especially when contrasted with other images showing airplane crashes into buildings.

The Pentagon was designed to withstand indirect nuclear attack. Is it odd to think that a plane crash would leave a smaller indentation than it would on a normal building?
The debris field was totally consistent with a plane crash of that kinetic energy hitting a very solid object. Not much is left when you impact an airliner at high speed into a solid concrete structure designed to take a huge deal of punishment.




But I'm sure some men in a black van quietly put that piece of aluminium there, right?

Also, I think it's funny that they say the hole is about 16 feet.



They're tryna convince me of the greatest conspiracy ever, but they can't even come close to accurately gauging the dimensions of a hole?


I can go on like this for hours, but it's wasted time.
 

Duke

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Save yourself the trouble. I won't reply seeing as you can't even be courteous and you're taking this way too seriously with your trash talk.
 
Save yourself the trouble. I won't reply seeing as you can't even be courteous and you're taking this way too seriously with your trash talk.
LOL, duke as if I was even that serious.

Notice how I called you biatch ? It's kind of my way of jokingly calling you a bitch, dude don't be so serious you should know by now I'm not insulting you personally, just havin some fun.

Jeeeez, have a toke bro.
 

Sebastian

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Notice how I called you biatch ? It's kind of my way of jokingly calling you a bitch, dude don't be so serious you should know by now I'm not insulting you personally, just havin some fun
Dumbest explanation ever.
 

masta247

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lol yeah. You're a bitch and I hate you you fucking moron. haha relax it was a joke lols lmao rofl ha! A joke, you get that???
 

Duke

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LOL, duke as if I was even that serious.

Notice how I called you biatch ? It's kind of my way of jokingly calling you a bitch, dude don't be so serious you should know by now I'm not insulting you personally, just havin some fun.

Jeeeez, have a toke bro.

You're one of the worst kind of people to debate with. You know why?

Because you are that typical person that is not interested in anyone that does not share your views. You do not wish to hear reasonable arguments, criticism on your train of thought.

What you wanted with a thread like this is a bunch of people cry out "tupac4li4e, you are so wise and so right", then you all exchange virtual high-fives and maybe a little circle-jerk at the end.

You have no use for people that critcize your theories. It does not fit in your plans. You hear what you wish to hear. You'd rather have your leg sawn off before you'd concede even a sub-discussion within the principle argument.

And that also, is funny and hypocritical. You've spent half this thread accusing us ( the critics) of being dumb sheep that will believe anything the media tells us. Because obviously, the media is not be trusted. EVERYTHING that we say and bring to the table, substantiated or not, you will shoot it down by claiming the sources are untrustworthy.
Which is extremely funny coming from a person that tries to justify his own and other, web-based, far fetched theories with an amalgamation of links to shady blogs, youtube videos, 9/11 conspiracy sites and what I call "discrepancy sites". Sites that show a whole bunch of "discrepanies" about 9/11 but fail to present an overall theory for it, often even contradicting itself on the reason of the discrepancies.


So that's it, mr tupac4li4e. You are as bad if not worse to debate with than the general religious freak one encounters on the internet, for the simple reason that you hear only what you want to hear. There's only one necessary ingredient for a proper debate, and that's unplugged ears. When that is lacking, one might as well start debating a brick wall, because there's nothing that will get through the thick wall of intellectual ignorance you have thrown up around yourself.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have a football match to watch.
 

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