2pac's-Shit Ain't Nuthin' Ta F' Wit

[Twirlzy]

Just listening to Wu-Tang with a beer and turned my thoughts to Tupac and the current state of his music. I just had to post after a year or so of absence.

OK, so we have had thread after thread bitching and moaning about what is happening and it is easy to dismiss them and roll your eyes.

Truth is, I have been a fan and a member on this board for a while now, like many. No its not a competition about who has been here the longest or such. I am simply letting you know my mentality.

When I joined UTEOT was released soon after, and I have been a fan since somewhere in between RUSD and UTEOT. So what?

The fact is, 2Pac had an emotional impact on me and became somewhat of a inspiration when I was younger during certain years. His music, message and his persona helped me through some difficult times. I consider those years of discovering and learning about 2Pac as some of my greatest.

But then it all went horribly wrong. Songs which I loved as OG's were being released with new artists and terrible production. Sure, UTEOT had some good tracks, Better Dayz was to RnB and well...

It just got worse.

Real Talk. I couldn't believe that these people were allowed to be in the same room as 2Pac's music, never mind produce or feature on tracks. I mean this is 2pac - one of the greatest. And i say that without a question of doubt or a narrow mind. Truth is, it's pretty much a fact.

I see alot of people on here who say these new albums and songs are good. They say it is better than nothing and we should be grateful - that we have OG's and remixes. I say we shouldn't be grateful and we should give a damn. Why?

Because as of know it appears that there is only once chance to get this post humous release craze right. And they have got it wrong. Tarnashing 2pac's blood, sweat and tears along the way.

I honestly believe that he would be so ashamed of what is happening. Do you believe that one of the most outspoken personalities in histroy would sit back and allow this shit to happen. Not a god damn prayer.

And I put it to you that if you in anyway like the new leaks for the upcoming Pac's Life album - then you are not a true fan. I mean it and I say it with conviction. True fans are damn near ready to cry at this bullshit - I know that I have been damn near on several occasions.

The only thing that keeps me from smashing my head against a wall is that fact that I can go and grab, 2PN, S.4.M.N, TL, MATW, AEOM and MK7 to ease the pain.

There is no justice in the world. If there was we wouldn't have to subject out ears to the last 5 years.

I tried thinking of a nice way to end the post - but I can't. The only saying that came to mind was;

What a waste.

Peace.

 

[cookies]

its all good expressing your feelins and shit, but the bottom line is we will never be able to convince amaru to change their ways or put an end to this bullshit. no offence but these threads are getting to repetitive, alot of us feel the same, making threads doesn't change shit.

 

[Diaz]

its all good expressing your feelins and shit, but the bottom line is we will never be able to convince amaru to change their ways or put an end to this bullshit. no offence but these threads are getting to repetitive, alot of us feel the same, making threads doesn't change shit.

He's not neccessarily speaking to Amaru, but rather the fans that are saying what Amaru is doing is ok and we should be happy with it.

 

[Think_ThuGLiFE]

cookie... leave it to u to always jump to conclusions...

 

[Twirlzy]

From cookies reply, I have remembered why I haven't posted here in so long. it seems that every damn thread demands a valid justification from another member. What happened to just expressing your feelings and getting some opinions or stories from others who have actually read your post. Or an intelligent reply every now and then, where people expand and respond to others views?

Am i alone here?

peace.

 

[Cheesyphily16]

^Nah it was a good post. I'm sure many people feel the same way too. It's a fuckin shame what's happening to Pac's music.

 

[cookies]

He's not neccessarily speaking to Amaru, but rather the fans that are saying what Amaru is doing is ok and we should be happy with it.

i aknowledge that. alot/many of the new fans are satisfied with what amru is doing. i mean i cant believe some peeps actually enjoy L2TG. Twirlzy im with you on this shit, im not happy amongst many others and i wont be satisfied. sorry, if i was to hard homie.

 

[Twirlzy]

It's fine cookies, just get annoyed as hell at this. I too understand your point though, its easy to just put up with it the way it is. I am mad moreover that it has allowed to get to this point without alarm bells ringing at the head office.

The sales rate says it all...L2TG platinum I think? What was UTEOT 4 or 5? It's a shame.

UK!

peace.

 

[Local Star]

I held the opinion that we are lucky just to be getting anything 2pac related, seeing how he is no longer with us. But I do believe he would not want what is happening to his music. These songs he left behind still shit on anything that will be released this year. Looks like Jay Z album will be the big Hip Hop one this year. An album of over production and a man talking about himself throughout does not come close to the emotion in the tracks left behind by 2pac. They are making harder work for themselves by remixing all these tracks with sub-par ones and shitty rappers like Lil Wayne (that track will be getting deleted after one spin like Hennesey Obie Trice version). I dont know what we could do to change things.

 

[LuvinAlize]

The fact is, 2Pac had an emotional impact on me and became somewhat of a inspiration when I was younger during certain years. His music, message and his persona helped me through some difficult times. I consider those years of discovering and learning about 2Pac as some of my greatest.

I feel u on that... u know u're a pachead, when u can find a song to fit nearly every mood u're in... but i really think that it's reading people on these boards saying this is whack and this is garbage that helps affect everyones opinions... people that dont like eminem arent going to like an album produced by him obviously...

I actually liked L2TG some tracks more than others... the messed up thing is I KNOW FOR A FACT, I would have liked it more if I didnt read these boards where people saying "this is whacK" "his vocals are distorted here and there".... its like everyones pissin on it, so of course people are gonna tend to feel the negativity and look at everything in a negative light...and thats what I hate most about these boards... It's like the Pac's life album cover, to me looks all good and fine, but people start to piss on that too... Then people get called an idiot or stupid for saying they like it...

WE ALL NEED TO RESPECT OTHER PEOPLES OPINIONS.. If you don't like what you get, then use CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM.... I'm really just fed up with the negativity in people on these boards...

If u dont like whats being done, why don't u start ur own revolution like thug life, start recording non stop, then live a turbulent life, and die at 25, then we'll see how good ur posthumous albums do... or 2pac should have planned it all a lil better

if it were me, and I left it all for my Mom to handle, I'd like whatever she likes... basically saying, if my Mom likes the music I'm putting out, who cares what anyone else thinks...

Like has been said before, there's no way to tell how Pac would have wanted it done this way, when the mans been long dead and gone...

 

[SonOf2pac]

real talk 101... the only thing that excites me about new pac albums is new unheard vocals... i could give a damn about the other shit cuz i got the OGs... and yes, it's bad that non-fans will listen to the music and think that this is the way pac sounded... that's what pisses me off... but hopefully they will get into pac's music and start coming to these boards and downloading OGs and seeing what pac's real motive was... maybe one day pac's original music will be released the world... maybe... maybe

 

[marc]

LuvinAlize, from how I understood Twirlzys post, YOU are one of the "fans" he addressed.

How on earth can you honestly like L2TG from a "pac-fan-perspective"?
I will admit I like, or even love the Po Nigga Blues version from Scott Storch, but I still prefer the OG.

Its not about putting out "good" music, for many many people Amaru actually IS constantly putting out good music. But these are not real Pac fans. They like the beat, perhaps the flow, but they will never be able to truly see the message behind this(as long as they stay mainstream that is).

To Better Dayz:
I really enjoy Better Dayz. Except for a few songs it is such a decent album.
Still Ballin - Ok, I dont really like it, should have left Kurupt etc.
Never B Peace - Raped the song Imo.
...
But on the other hand you had: When we ride..., Mamas Just A Little Girl, Late Night, My Block, Never Call You Bitch Again, Better Dayz, Military Minds, Fame, There U Go, This Life I Lead, Who Do U Believe In, The dont give a fuck.

When Better Dayz was released I wasnt entirely satisfied, but I thought Amaru had changed directions again and headed towards OGs and good production again. Obviously I was wrong.

Imo, as long as they try to get new Pac fans and care more about the mass appeal of a song instead of the message it delivers, its an insult to Pacs music.



edit: Its really late, so if something doesnt make sense, please understand

 

[LuvinAlize]

LuvinAlize, from how I understood Twirlzys post, YOU are one of the "fans" he addressed.

How on earth can you honestly like L2TG from a "pac-fan-perspective"?
I will admit I like, or even love the Po Nigga Blues version from Scott Storch, but I still prefer the OG.

Its not about putting out "good" music, for many many people Amaru actually IS constantly putting out good music. But these are not real Pac fans. They like the beat, perhaps the flow, but they will never be able to truly see the message behind this(as long as they stay mainstream that is).

To Better Dayz:
I really enjoy Better Dayz. Except for a few songs it is such a decent album.
Still Ballin - Ok, I dont really like it, should have left Kurupt etc.
Never B Peace - Raped the song Imo.
...
But on the other hand you had: When we ride..., Mamas Just A Little Girl, Late Night, My Block, Never Call You Bitch Again, Better Dayz, Military Minds, Fame, There U Go, This Life I Lead, Who Do U Believe In, The dont give a fuck.

When Better Dayz was released I wasnt entirely satisfied, but I thought Amaru had changed directions again and headed towards OGs and good production again. Obviously I was wrong.

Imo, as long as they try to get new Pac fans and care more about the mass appeal of a song instead of the message it delivers, its an insult to Pacs music.



edit: Its really late, so if something doesnt make sense, please understand

How can I like L2TG from a Pac fan perspective? hmm... see, now that's like trying to define what a Pac fan is? I had a discussion with one of my homeboys that is from the eastcoast.... and is really into hip hop... hes a fan of Pacs and really liked L2tG... he doesnt go on any message boards and he probably has never heard any of the OGs... and i asked him... U didnt think that Em messed up his vocals, or the beats were wack? and he responded to me, "i dunno...i liked it.."

so because someone liked L2TG, he's not a true pac fan?

The problem with it all is that everyone here knows about the OGz, they read into 2pacs history, who was originally on the tracks, his original producers, and original beats, etc.. thats what people get used to and thats what they like to begin with...

Personally, I like the vibe of Better Dayz over L2TG... but I also like several tracks on L2TG... some i didnt... but im not going to bash eminem like a lot of people do... the 3 tracks on Resurrection he did were hot, imo... if u're a fan of eminems style of beats and know little about the OGZ, chances are u'll like L2TG... I would have rather had EM do say 3 tracks on L2TG and let other producers, like a johnny j, get a shot at other tracks just to get a lil variety...

to be honest, some of my favorite tracks of pacs is when he uses old beats redone, like Changes, until the end of time, do for love, etc... or when Ron Isley sings in the background... the soulful songs that really hit u hard...like pain, me against the world, etc....

I'm not saying L2TG was my favorite album, I'm just saying I dont think its as bad as everyone makes it out to be... and that people talkin shit or bashing it because someone else likes it even if they dont isn't right.. it just kills the joy out of it for the people that do like it... u dont have to like it, but if someone else likes it, let em like it... and if u really feel strongly about it, then do something productive, rather than being immature and saying things like "fuck afeni" "fuck eminem" and all of that....

 

[bohorquez1]

i've said it before, but if we get ONE good song off the new album then it's easily worth my 15 bucks. last album I got 2 I liked, the remixes of Hennessey and Crooked Nigga Too. I try to forget the rest of the tracks, but if the album never came out I would have never heard those 2 songs.

 

[marc]

Again I say: It has nothing to do with Pacs music and message if you totally cut up his verses, make up sentences he never rapped, take the people he did the songs with off the songs etc. etc.

This is not Pacs work, so you may like it, but you cannot like it from a Pac fan perspective. Either you like the man and his work, or you just think its cool to listen to Pac, because hes Pac.

Its like saying you like Picassos unreleased works, although they were changed by a random person to fit his own likes.

You cannot like L2TG and be a true Pac fan. It simply isnt possible. Have you even read ANYTHING published by freeTupac.com??

People who keep buying the albums only because "its a new Pac" are the epitome of the legacy rape!

 

[KO]

You cannot like L2TG and be a true Pac fan. It simply isnt possible. Have you even read ANYTHING published by freeTupac.com??


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Sorry mate but that is absolute fucking bullshit.



your telling me if you like a certain album your not a true 2Pac fan??

I have always tried to be like, the most civil i can with people on here, but if you sit back and re read what you just said you will realise it was probably the most bullshit thing ever said on these boards.

I LIKE LOYAL TO THE GAME. are you seriously fucking telling me because of this im not a "true" Tupac fan?? what should i be doing, listening to some remixes by some nobody from this board or some other board? your opinion is bullshit, sorry dude but thats fucking RETARDED.

"If you like LTTG your not a true Pac fan" what a fucking idiotic statement.

 

[BIG NASTY]

Sorry mate but that is absolute fucking bullshit.



your telling me if you like a certain album your not a true 2Pac fan??

I have always tried to be like, the most civil i can with people on here, but if you sit back and re read what you just said you will realise it was probably the most bullshit thing ever said on these boards.

I LIKE LOYAL TO THE GAME. are you seriously fucking telling me because of this im not a "true" Tupac fan?? what should i be doing, listening to some remixes by some nobody from this board or some other board? your opinion is bullshit, sorry dude but thats fucking RETARDED.

"If you like LTTG your not a true Pac fan" what a fucking idiotic statement.

seriously. that kid needs to shut his mouth

 

[LuvinAlize]

Sorry mate but that is absolute fucking bullshit.



your telling me if you like a certain album your not a true 2Pac fan??

I have always tried to be like, the most civil i can with people on here, but if you sit back and re read what you just said you will realise it was probably the most bullshit thing ever said on these boards.

I LIKE LOYAL TO THE GAME. are you seriously fucking telling me because of this im not a "true" Tupac fan?? what should i be doing, listening to some remixes by some nobody from this board or some other board? your opinion is bullshit, sorry dude but thats fucking RETARDED.

"If you like LTTG your not a true Pac fan" what a fucking idiotic statement.

amen 2 that... furthermore, about how people don't like how Pacs vocals are chopped up or at times edited... in music, it happens often that a producer chops up, edits, and recreates a song... thats why they're the producer... The only difference here is that Tupac can't go back into the studio to re-edit or re-record anything himself... I'm not saying i'm a fan of the editting of what he said.. But look at Tupac Resurrection, the picture it painted of tupac was a bit different then the one depicted in Thug Angel... Although they showed his court cases and run ins with the police... they didnt show him brandishing guns, telling us how to shoot a machine gun to go through a bulletproof vest, etc... it was edited... sometimes rather poorly in the "Pac Narration"... Still, it was nominated for an Oscar...

I like ogz and I still like L2TG... Remember, Afeni and company were left with the "blueprints" not you or anyone else on these boards..(well, except maybe for Dante lol) We're all just fans, followers, or "rapists..." lol... okay, i admit to raping the legacy by buying one cd that some people dont like, but still probably downloaded... The real 2pac fans, eh? the ones that talk trash about what Afeni, their heroes beloved mother puts out? give me a break...

Who cares if an article written by someone from FreeTupac.com says they don't like the album... that's their opinion, which i respect, and that they're entitled to... I just don't see how anyone can say that I'm not a real fan of 2pacs because I paid for and liked a cd of his... we're all entitled to our opinions...

 

[Twirlzy]

Ok. some of these replies are only solidify my post. KO i disagree with what your saying and trying to argue - the other poster was right - if you like that album I aint sayin you dont like listening to 2pac, i am just saying you aint down for the bigger cause in all of this. which is 2pac and his message. get your head straight.

open your eyes and see what has happened.

I almost feel retarded for writing this shit - i aint tryin to preach, i am in no position too. but just study pac and realise this is complete an utter bullshit. his mum should be ashmed - she handled it all wrong.

 

[Local Star]

Ok. some of these replies are only solidify my post. KO i disagree with what your saying and trying to argue - the other poster was right - if you like that album I aint sayin you dont like listening to 2pac, i am just saying you aint down for the bigger cause in all of this. which is 2pac and his message. get your head straight.

open your eyes and see what has happened.

I almost feel retarded for writing this shit - i aint tryin to preach, i am in no position too. but just study pac and realise this is complete an utter bullshit. his mum should be ashmed - she handled it all wrong.

Take this lad serious, people from Manchester know there music and im a scouser.