8 Reasons You Should Stay the Hell Away From Eggs

Jokerman

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#22
There's also solid evidence that eating pesticide sprayed vegetables are very bad for you, but I don't see you lot having a crusade against lettuce.
I've mentioned pesticides being bad many times. Again, the analogy is not accurate. There's nothing wrong with unsprayed lettuce per se, but there are some things wrong with eggs, as i pointed out. And where's the crusade? I posted an article that made interesting points. Neither the article writer nor I said anyone was an idiot or a monster for eating eggs. But because some people are so resistant to change, if you tell them something that they do is perhaps not good for them, they have a knee-jerk I'll-do-what-I-want reaction.

Comfort provides a sense of security. We work towards making our lives comfortable. But comfort also creates complacency. Complacency stops the growth process. It prevents us from asking questions that are critical to growth and improvement. Questions about what we eat, where we work, or even how we think.

How many times have you had an opportunity to do something, but decided not to do it because you prejudged that you wouldn't like it, or that you wouldn't fit in with the others there? Later, someone said, "You should have come. It was fun." And you made an excuse.

What are you willing to do that's different? Are you willing to wear your hair differently? To wear different types of clothes? How many things in your life are you willing to change? Or is your life just a routine, predictable pattern, where you look the same, dress the same, eat the same, act the same, think the same? All of us shortchange ourselves in some way with patterns of living we fall into.

"Hey, you should try this."
"Don't tell me how to live!"

I have friends who have never done one single thing differently for years. I can tell you what they're going to say, what they'll eat, how they will treat people, what their apartment looks like, and what they will do when they go on vacation. When people are that boring, they get old real fast. They stagnate. Joy is no longer there, and they don't see the happy side of life. They're only bitter and cynical. And who do they blame? Everyone else, or they blame circumstances.

When you're willing to act differently and try new things, before long, you will begin to feel comfortable doing something else differently. Soon you'll start looking forward to experiencing life and not being afraid. Suddenly, your tiny view of life expands, and your life is all the richer for it.
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
#23
I get aroused when I stick my hand on the stove. I can't do that either?


I sick of articles written by rebellious fucks. There are people that love change like you said, Jokerman, but then there are others that stroke their nuts to the thought of rebelling against society and almost seems like they troll the internet with that mentality.

To them, everything is wrong. We need some new hippie way to change every thing in this world because they're pissed at authorities.

"Cheese is bad. Try this horse semen souffle instead."

In today's society, everything is bad. Breathing is bad, eating is bad, drinking is bad, this is bad but this is good for you. Only to find out that "this" is also bad.

People that suck the dick of science also annoy me. And the people that do so and make these fucking studies up. Correlation does not equal causation. All this article is is making correlations equal truth.


It's adorable how this comes out only when the Salmonella outbreak comes to light. That's how you know the intentions, as well as the basis of this study, is a crock of shit.
 

Rukas

Capo Dei Capi
Staff member
#24
Being a vegan for health reasons is stupid. Doing it for moral reasons I can understand, but for health reasons it's as stupid as starving yourself for health reasons.

There are plenty of studies that suggest veganism is bad for you and it is if you dont supplement with other foods and live a HEALTHY lifestyle. It's more than just saying "Im going to stop eating all animal products."

Just like eggs are bad for you if you don't exercise and live a HEALTHY lifestyle.

Life is about finding the right balance for YOUR body, not about swinging from one extreme to the other like either was some sort of miracle diet.

The case at point is that the cholesterol in eggs leads to diabetes. Obeseness leads to diabetics, if you have over 25% body fat you are at risk. Eggs or no eggs you're at risk. Eggs can make people fat. The solution? EXERCISE! LIVE A HEALTHY LIFESTYLE beyond just your diet.

With a healthy active lifestyle filled with exercise and a BALANCED DIET you can pretty much eat whatever you want.
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
#26
Being a vegan for health reasons is stupid. Doing it for moral reasons I can understand, but for health reasons it's as stupid as starving yourself for health reasons.

There are plenty of studies that suggest veganism is bad for you and it is if you dont supplement with other foods and live a HEALTHY lifestyle. It's more than just saying "Im going to stop eating all animal products."

Just like eggs are bad for you if you don't exercise and live a HEALTHY lifestyle.

Life is about finding the right balance for YOUR body, not about swinging from one extreme to the other like either was some sort of miracle diet.

The case at point is that the cholesterol in eggs leads to diabetes. Obeseness leads to diabetics, if you have over 25% body fat you are at risk. Eggs or no eggs you're at risk. Eggs can make people fat. The solution? EXERCISE! LIVE A HEALTHY LIFESTYLE beyond just your diet.

With a healthy active lifestyle filled with exercise and a BALANCED DIET you can pretty much eat whatever you want.
Exactly. There are plenty of people that live a long, healthy life and most of the time they attribute it to being active and eating healthy. I don't have links, but I remember reading about a Japanese guy that live to be over 100 years old and they asked him what he did. He walked and he ate right.

Eating right doesn't mean cutting out a specific food group entirely. You can, but that's your choice.

So to say milk is bad, eggs are bad, meat is bad, etc., it seems someone is doing it for moral reasons more so than health reasons. So...present the moral reasons. Don't attack it for being "unhealthy" because everything is unhealthy, to some extent. Should I stop drinking tap water because it runs through metallic pipes? Switch to bottled water? Doesn't that hurt the environment.

Let people fucking live. It's not like anyone's going to listen anyway. Until they feel it's bad, they won't do anything. And considering everything is harmful, we'd all be stuck doing nothing in fear of dying. Yoga, meditation, and exercise will do a lot more than cutting out dairy and meat.
 

Casey

Well-Known Member
Staff member
#28
In today's society, everything is bad. Breathing is bad, eating is bad, drinking is bad, this is bad but this is good for you. Only to find out that "this" is also bad.
No. You just think this because everything YOU do is bad. Because you're resistant to change like Jokerman said.

People that suck the dick of science also annoy me. And the people that do so and make these fucking studies up. Correlation does not equal causation. All this article is is making correlations equal truth.
And what's your alternative to science? Note, if you say religion or faith then get the fuck out of this thread right now.

Correlation doesn't equal causation? So would you make an argument that a ball thrown up in the air that falls back down ISN'T caused by gravity?

Repeated correlations are the strongest form of evidence. Unless you have something better?

It's adorable how this comes out only when the Salmonella outbreak comes to light. That's how you know the intentions, as well as the basis of this study, is a crock of shit.
No. These type of studies are made ALL the time. More people are paying attention it to now because of the Salmonella, but GUESS WHAT? The intelligent people have known this shit for a LONG time. Both me and Joker have brought up ALL of these points before. Months ago, before the outbreak.

Most people are reactive. Know what that means? Something happens and they react to it, after.

Intelligent people, however, are proactive. That means you take action before anything happens that personally affects you.

I didn't need a salmonella outbreak for me to stop eating eggs or do some fucking research into what I'm eating. Because the studies are there. The evidence is there. It's logical. It's obvious.

If I learn that "X" chemical is present in food "Y", I'm not idiotic enough to eat it.

If everyone else wants to go ahead and eat food "Y", get sick, then food "y" gets recalled and then the mass media goes mental and everybody is freaking out "OMG food "Y" has "x" chemical in it ZOMGGGG" and you get a million articles in the media about it because people are getting sick and dying, then you're a tool for ignoring the evidence that was ALWAYS there.

So go ahead and get sick and die because you didn't bother looking into what effects it would have on you before you ate it. All of you reactive people can die out and the world will be a better place. Survival of the fittest is a misnomer. The world we live in is about survival of the smartest.

But your conclusion is completely wrong. Just because the mass media is being REACTIVE and not PROACTIVE as usual, doesn't mean their intentions or studies are, as you said, a "crock of shit". It just means that these people didn't bother to find out all of this information BEFOREHAND even though it was READILY available.
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
#29
Everything in science is theory. It's not a whole lot different from religion. Gravity...is a theory. Not all scientists agree with the principles of it. They don't fully understand gravity and it is still a mystery.

I don't place my faith entirely in to science or religion. I can't disprove either, but there are gray areas galore in both.

I don't know the Bible well, but God talked to someone to write Commandments and what not. You think it didn't happen, right? Why? Because "someone" said it and wrote it down but we have no proof it was God that said it. Everyone just accepts it.

Similarly, a scientist says that there are planets beyond our Solar System. Scientists say that there is an electron cloud around every atom. Have you seen an electron cloud? Or are you just going off word-of-mouth from another article you read? Have you seen, with your own eyes, the planets beyond our solar system?

When you question things, you use logic. Not science. Science and logic are not analogous, at least not always.

Science says "eggs are bad." Logic with science says "probably in excess and with no activity to maintain cholesterol levels." What's bad about eggs? Cholesterol? You need it. Fat? You need it. Disease? I could get one by licking my own asshole. All of these are necessary to maintain a healthy lifestyle.

You like vegetables, right? They're GMOs. Oh wait, they're healthy? Says who? The FDA? The same ones that deem milk, meat, and eggs "healthy" as well?
 

masta247

Well-Known Member
Staff member
#30
Even if results of these studies about eggs are true it's just another study and like with each study some people will overreact over this one too.
Most products cause side-effects, especially when "overdosed". With everything you do, you risk. The key is to not push it.This study merely points out what you risk by eating too many eggs. Even if you eat too many eggs most probably nothing will happen to you. Nah, actually many good things might happen because eggs do a lot of good. But the risk of "something bad" happening is a tad higher than with people who eat something else which in turn is risky in some other way.
But maybe people who tend to eat eggs tend to workout less often, or maybe they also like other fat foods? You know, preferences tend to link with each other.
Unless they are sure that eggs contain something that causes diabetes we can't really be sure. And actually we still don't exactly know what really causes diabetes.
We know that "living an unhealthy lifestyle rises the risk". Wow, Einstein.

Cigarettes are the most "hated" for being poisonous, causing cancer and a bunch of other things.
Yet most people who smoke them for their whole lives won't die from cancer caused by smoking them. Actually you have to be very unlucky to die of lung cancer caused by smoking cigarettes. And before someone comes up with it - not many smoker die from any smoking-caused illnesses. But it happens and when it happens there's shock - "cigarettes kill".
There's no doubt that they are relatively "very unhealthy". You have all these scientists trying to shock people, saying that smoking a cigarette is almost like pointing a loaded gun to your head.
Then you have all those paranoid people freaking out when someone lights a cigarette in their surroundings. Cigarettes = cancer, heart diseases, no boner,hell and eternal damnation.
Sure cigarettes are not healthy, they raise your risk of dying to a significant point (definitely they are multiple times more unhealthy than 99% of meals) but well, just don't get crazy over it. Most probably they won't kill you even if you'll smoke for your whole life.

Then there's another factor which is notorious in all similar tests.
"3% of our test subjects have died from cancer. 98% of them drank tea at some point in their lives. Conclusion - tea is cancerogenic". In the end it turns out that overall 99% of people tried tea at some point of their lives and so in fact people who don't drink tea have higher risk of suffering from cancer. And then it turns out that the test group wasn't good because mostly sick, poor people enrolled for that test, then another group from a different area showed different results etc. etc.
Not to mention that maany of these results are plainly coincidental, especially if we're talking about small margins like "10% higher risk" etc.
If a research isn't funded by a huge company/organization which is putting a a lot of money into it then it will pretty much be just another cheap, underfunded research with a small group of test subjects that most probably won't prove anything.
Otherwise results won't mean anything because it'll be biased.

Jokerman often uses good arguments and idealistic stories but for wrong reasons, to convince to a point that is not even related to these arguments. Beautiful visions of happy, carefree life and freedom coming to those who change their diets. A "perfect life", mentioning things that people miss the most just for the sake of argument. I doubt that Jokerman is especially happy in real life.
Yes, people who tend to do something positive about their lives tend to be happy. That "Yes man" mentality, trying new things, going out instead of declining etc. A touching story but contradicts the point in this case. Happiness doesn't come to people who search for problems everywhere. It won't really work if you're going to read too much into "what's bad" and avoid many things "just in case".
Being "aware of the smallest risks and avoiding them" usually leads to overreacting and worrying.
Worrying too much about things like these will take away your joy of life. In this case it's better to "fuck it and be happy", but you have to be able to tell apart right from wrong. Just don't get paranoid. And with this egg case it's crossing the line, I think.
Punishing yourself with negative thoughts is taking your life's joy away.
At least I for sure can tell that I'm happier when I'm just enjoying myself and thinking what to do to enjoy my life more rather than thinking about "what can potentially kill me". Certainly thinking that eggs are toxic and avoiding them won't help.
Also, paradoxally the biggest ignorants are those who are the happiest. And it's not about "not settling for a comfortable position" but about living life and not caring about or in this case even being aware of the negatives.
 

Elmira

Well-Known Member
#31
Eatings eggs to most people in the world is as simple, as necessary, as common a thing as going to work in the morning with their shoes on or brushing their teeth. No one thinks twice about it and no one thinks that one day their friendly neighbor is going to come over and insist they stop eating eggs or else they face being ridiculed in the community and being called a dimwit — someone who is resistant to change and unwilling to break free of their comfort zone.

It is not a stretch then, to say the people will feel disrespected and belittled. And you wonder why there's that reaction. It hasn't got to do with them being resistant to a damn thing, or their feeling so comfortable in their everyday lives they're too ignorant to accept a proposal for change. It's like attacking a whole nation for consuming a bare staple such as buckwheat or corn, of course there will be an uproar. And it hits home in such a way that it's just as if you said to me I can't wear these shoes to work, or I can't brush my teeth with this toothbrush, or I can't feed my children eggs anymore because of this and that.

And you may be acting under good intentions, besides you just want your neighbor to live as healthy and as cleanly as you are living, but it likely isn't your place to insist that. What's likely true is that you have a duty to yourself, and all that should be important for you is how you're living, your life. (Also, when someone presents to you a fact about pesticide sprayed green vegetables, and you go on to give a whole speech about how their view of life is tiny and not so rewarding as you have it and yaddayaddayadda.... Well, you must hear how you sound, and you sound pretentious and insulting.)

I'd love for you to say to a farmer or a starving child anywhere on this Earth that they shouldn't feed on eggs for these reasons, and I'd be surprised if they did not laugh in your face.
 

Jokerman

Well-Known Member
#32
^Again, who's attacking anything or anybody? Who is insisting that ppl stop eating eggs? And what I said about change was not directed at Duke's remark about sprayed lettuce. I answered that in my first paragraph. No, that was in response to Smacky saying "Don't tell me how to live," which was totally irrelevant and knee-jerk, as Casey pointed out. I felt i needed to explain why ppl will react like that to simple information. And I never said or implied that the wish for comfort made ppl too ignorant to accept a proposal for change. I basically said that it made them too complacent to hear it objectively without a knee-jerking reaction. Seems like I just got another irrelevant, knee-jerk reaction to informing ppl that something they like might not be good for them.
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
#34
^Again, who's attacking anything or anybody? Who is insisting that ppl stop eating eggs? And what I said about change was not directed at Duke's remark about sprayed lettuce. I answered that in my first paragraph. No, that was in response to Smacky saying "Don't tell me how to live," which was totally irrelevant and knee-jerk, as Casey pointed out. I felt i needed to explain why ppl will react like that to simple information, Seems like I just got another irrelevant, knee-jerk reaction to informing ppl that something they like might not be good for them.
I wasn't attacking anyone either. I know you weren't telling me how to live. But you posted an article that could be seen as another scare tactic or just that same BS that gets thrown around. I saw this on Digg before I saw it on here. This was the first place I voiced my opinion, but I read through this before.

I'm pretty rational. I can see both sides of the argument despite not agreeing with the opposing view. But it certainly came off as one of those coonshit propaganda articles on how certain things are bad and we should all change the way we eat, live, etc. because of one study. Or a few studies. Because these studies come out all the time and we're all still alive.

So let me elaborate on my original post, because I don't think this message could have been derived from it, although it is truly what my thinking was.

"For those that are scared or.."proactive" about this, go ahead and stop eating eggs or whatever it is you decide to do after reading it. The rest of us will go about eating eggs whenever we feel like it."

I feel the same way about the meat, milk, whatever threads we have on here. Do it if you want. But don't criticize us for it when we decide not to do what you're doing.
 

Da_Funk

Well-Known Member
#35
Do Jokermans post remind anybody of else of those cheesy self help people?

If the morons haven't figured it out yet, they're not going to.
 

Sebastian

Well-Known Member
#36
Everything in science is theory. It's not a whole lot different from religion. Gravity...is a theory. Not all scientists agree with the principles of it. They don't fully understand gravity and it is still a mystery.
What the fuck?
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
#38
It's one of those things in science no one knows a whole lot about. You can get a general idea on the properties of it, like that whole 9.8 m/s stuff, but as far as how it originated and all that jazz, no one knows. This was courtesy of my genetics professor about a year ago. Coincidentally, he was a pilot.

We laughed at first, but then I thought about it and it makes sense. For all aspects of science.
 

Casey

Well-Known Member
Staff member
#40
Eatings eggs to most people in the world is as simple, as necessary, as common a thing as going to work in the morning with their shoes on or brushing their teeth. No one thinks twice about it
A century ago, it was as simple, as necessary, as common a thing to consume all kinds of chemicals that we now know are highly toxic. Doctors would TREAT certain ailments with tobacco smoke! And a while before that people owned other people as slaves without anyone batting an eyelid. And of course, none of those people felt they would be belittled in their communities either.

Just because something is the norm doesn't make it the right, or smart thing to do.

As for gravity being a theory....ahahahahahahahaha. Not a whole lot different from religion? Congratulations on writing the dumbest fucking thing I've read in months.

Listen - religion is man-made, irrelevant bullshit. Never been proven and never will be because it's a crock of shit.

Now, I'm going to build a catapult, and fill it with:

a bag of skittles
Smacky's mom
a bunch of idiotic religious books
500 million eggs
a big rock
some hair gel
a feather

I will then launch this catapult.

If - after a sufficient period of time, ANY ONE of these objects has not returned to the ground...... THEN, AND ONLY THEN, can you try and question gravity.

Or, if you have another explanation for the changing of the tides, or the reason why the planets in our solar system revolve around the sun, I'd love to hear them.
 

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