Apple are liars. The truth about Apple, Google, AT&T and the FCC

[ill-matic]

you know why i dont give a fuck?

because it's a fucking phone at the end of the day. and in life, there's bigger shit to worry about than two corporations vying for the same market. it's business. it happens. it's nothing new. so to me this is scraps nicca

 

[Duke]

you know why i dont give a fuck?

because it's a fucking phone at the end of the day. and in life, there's bigger shit to worry about than two corporations vying for the same market. it's business. it happens. it's nothing new. so to me this is scraps nicca

I'm just concerned over the fact that even multimedia corporations have fanboys. I mean, 15 yr old kids fapping on BMW's is one thing, but this...

 

[3en]

At the end of the day like others have said its Apples product they can choose to do what they like. If people don't like it they don't buy it simple.

On a side note my iPhone and Macbook Pro are the best two pieces of technology I own. (from an ex PC windows mobile user).

 

[DarkPhantom13]

Fuck vegetarians!!!

*waits for another argument to begin*

 

[ArtsyGirl]

haha Darkie..

I dont see how Google is gonna take down Apple..

Besides the techno-mumbo-jumbo that I don't understand I agree with what Caesar said.

 

[Casey]

Total hearsay. You are putting words in the mouths of your Google Gods.

The fact is they have said it as an OS purely for netbooks to run web apps. End of story. Google cant compete with Mac/Windows and Unix and their are smartly not trying to.

What they have said and what they are planning to do is two different things. Come on. Like I said, they're not gonna give the game away with their intentions this early on. That's blatantly fucking obvious. It's not hearsay, it's simple logic and an educated opinion.

No way. Most of Mac OSXs market share comes from film, graphics and film editors.

Google OS will not run Final Cut Studio, nor will it ever run Logic or Pro Tools. I doubt it will ever even run Photoshop.

That may have been true 5 years ago, but it ain't true today. The people buying the MacBook Air for example are NOT buying it to edit multimedia. The kids at college getting MacBooks aren't either, for th emost part.

I would put money on it being able to run all those products you mentioned. And with regards to Final Cut, Sony Vegas shits on it anyway.

Google OS wont have any bigger of a market share than Ubantu for example. It wont compete with the mainstream Microsoft Windows users, and it wont compete with the hardcore graphics, motion and music editors. So all it has left is the uber cool geek market like Unix, and Unix already has that cornered.

Insanity. Most people do not use computers to edit multimedia as I already said. MOST people just use computers for surfing and web apps anyway. LOL at thinking Chrome is for the Unix market. That shows you know nothing about it.

Right, yet no one really cares. I rarely see an Anroid phone in the wild, Ive never seen anything else running it. So who cares, and no one will, because it wont put a dent in those core markets Ive stated above.

Uh, what? You live in Australia, so there we go, you're hardly the most important market. Android OS is the fastest growing mobile OS with a 900% growth rate in the last year and that's based on ONE phone on ONE carrier, now there are at least 5 phones on multiple carriers. Dell and other companies are already in the process of releasing netbooks running it. It's already taken a huge chunk of market share in the UK and US and continues to do so.

I think what people don't realise is that Android isn't just backed by Google, but by the Open Handset Alliance - a group of companies all dedicated to pushing Android and constantly working to improve it and find the best ways to utilize it in their products. As of right now, the companies included in the OHA include:



* China Mobile
* China Unicom
* KDDI Corporation
* NTT DoCoMo
* Sprint Nextel
* T-Mobile
* Telecom Italia
* Telefónica
* Vodafone
* Softbank
* Ascender Corporation
* eBay
* Esmertec
* Google
* LivingImage
* NMS Communications
* Nuance Communications
* PacketVideo
* SkyPop
* SONiVOX
* Borqs
* Aplix
* Noser Engineering
* The Astonishing Tribe
* Wind River Systems
* Omron Software
* Teleca
* Audience
* Broadcom Corporation
* Intel Corporation
* Marvell Technology Group
* Nvidia Corporation
* Qualcomm
* SiRF Technology Holdings
* Synaptics
* Texas Instruments
* AKM Semiconductor
* ARM
* Atheros Communications
* EMP
* HTC
* LG
* Motorola
* Samsung Electronics
* ASUSTek
* Garmin
* Huawei Technologies
* Sony Ericsson
* Ericsson
* Toshiba
* Acer
* Dell


To think that anyone one corporation can compete with all these multinational corporations working together with the same vision, is absolute madness. You may as well pit Batman on his own against every other Marvel and DC superhero and claim that he has a chance. It's clearly only a matter of time - and projections indiciate another 20 or so corporations will have joined the OHA within another 12 months. With Google set to revolutionise the way we all use the internet completely with Google Wave it's simply not good logic to bet against them right now, in any section of their business.

You may have a wet dream over running some hacked version of Cubase on it, but no studio in the world will run it, no graphics or film house will run it, no average commercial user (the bread and butter) will run it, and most geeks will stick to Unix.

I don't use Cubase. I think you know that.

You keep talking about multimedia, I've already stated I can't speak for that. Not yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's a long term plan in place that includes multimedia editing as well. No average user will run it? lmao. Well, we'll see about that. So what happens if Dell decide to run Chrome OS on every single netbook they sell? Acer too? Between Dell and Acer that's most of your netbook market right there, hardware wise, and they both are part of the OHA and have great relationships with Google.

Not legally, not without being hacked to shit. Apple doesnt allow Google Voice on it's iPhone do you think Apple will allow one of their core applications to run on Google OS? Riiiiight.

This is the stupidest thing I've heard yet in this argument and even Salty will tell you that. the iPhone has an App Store with an approval process. That's what this whole thing is about. Full computer OS don't have that. Anybody can develop an application and release it for any OS, you know that as well as I do.

Besides that, you're now switching and steering and making a completely different point to your original one - probably because you haven't got a leg to stand on in this argument and you know it.

Your original point was "Do you think Final Cut Pro will run on a web based OS". You were making the point that the OS would not have the capacity to run it. I then destroyed that comment, because any can see that it COULD run it, it's a question of hardware and environment. Now you're switching your argument to saying that Apple wouldn't allow it. That's a completely different kettle of fish, so let's look at what could happen in that scenario.

1 - Google says to Apple "We want Final Cut Pro for Chrome OS".

2. Apple says "No".

3. Google says "Fine. No more YouTube, Gmail, Google Wave, Google Tasks, Google Documents for iPhone then".

4. Apple shits bricks and gives Google what they want.

You fail to see that Google holds all the cards here. Hell, if Google REALLY wanted to, they could completely block all Google services including Google Search from the iPhone. Dollars to donuts at least 50% of iPhone users would be pissed off enough at Apple's stubborness to switch. It's what's already happened with Google Voice, and that's still a WIP, invitation-only service right now.

Riiiiiight.

I see your Riiiiiiight and raise you a Yeppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp, right I am and you will see.

Its up to Apple to allow whatever they want to allow into their app store for whatever reason they want to disallow or allow it. It is their store.

Captain Obvious for the win. The point is the REASONS Apple have given for denying it are lies and bullshit and they are pissing off their loyal fanbase.

If Apple really isnt a force to be reckoned with like you think, why do you even care if they rejected Googles app?

Now who's putting words into the mouth of who? I never said Apple was not a force to be reckoned with. They just aren't compared to Google. They manufacture hardware with proprietary, closed software, which time has proven will never beat open-source and collaborative platforms.

And I care about the truth. That's all.

 

[masta247]

I agree with Casey on this one.
Sure Mac OS is the best one for editing multimedia but that's what less than 0.1% of computers worldwide are designed to do.

Google Chrome OS IF it turns out to be what it is to be has a potential to be the leading netbook operating system.
Most netbooks don't even have GPUs powerful enough to run a 5 year old game. Windows on netbooks just sucks. I can perfectly see them uning a fast OS designed for the internet as net browsing, email and some other basic tasks is all you can do on your netbook anyway.

And I'm also with Casey on that Macbook thing.
Wtf do students buy that anyway? 90% of them could do the same stuff on netbooks, the other 10% could buy a way cheaper Dell/HP/Toshiba laptop with similar components. None of them is going to edit serious multimedia on that stuff unless it costs 10k $ or more and still it'd be unbelievably hard.

Android is a new system, Apple has a benefit of introducing a first phone like this + they have greater marketing and a huge base of fanboys. Google is by no means a smaller or less powerful company. Way more people are using google daily but there's just no hype like "ooooh look at me, I'm using a GOOGLE product" that Apple created about their products.

 

[Prize Gotti]

I'm just concerned over the fact that even multimedia corporations have fanboys. I mean, 15 yr old kids fapping on BMW's is one thing, but this...

I fap to Audi's

 

[Duke]

Hairdressers car

 

[Caesar]

What they have said and what they are planning to do is two different things. Come on. Like I said, they're not gonna give the game away with their intentions this early on. That's blatantly fucking obvious. It's not hearsay, it's simple logic and an educated opinion.

Wont happen for a long ass time if ever. Google is releasing Google OS as a slimline OS to run web applications. End of story. Anything you say to the contrary is fanboy fantasy.

That may have been true 5 years ago, but it ain't true today. The people buying the MacBook Air for example are NOT buying it to edit multimedia. The kids at college getting MacBooks aren't either, for th emost part.

Everyone that I know who has a Mac bought it because it is stable and runs apps they need. People dont buy them just to be cool because they cost too much.

I would put money on it being able to run all those products you mentioned.

Wont happen.

And with regards to Final Cut, Sony Vegas shits on it anyway.

Vegas is terrible. Avid and Premier are in the same league, Avid is harder to use, Premier is on same level as Final Cut Studio with its After Effects competing with Apple's Motion.

Vegas doesnt compete. It cant. Because it doesnt have the software bundle. So you've pulled an uneducated comment out of your ass to try to justify your argument.

Insanity. Most people do not use computers to edit multimedia as I already said. MOST people just use computers for surfing and web apps anyway.

But Mac's core audience does.

LOL at thinking Chrome is for the Unix market. That shows you know nothing about it.

You thinking it doesnt shows that YOU know nothing about it.

Chrome will not crack the mainstream, so it wont be a Windows type OS. Chrome wont have a lot of app support out of the box, so it wont be a Windows or Mac OS. Chrome will however boast open source and it's speed... Just like... Unix builds like Ubantu. It will be the "cool" alternative to the big bad 2 and will do just as well as the other cool alternatives do.

And if that isnt enough for you, GOOGLE OS IS BASED ON LINUX WHICH IS UNIX!

Uh, what? You live in Australia, so there we go, you're hardly the most important market.

You live in England, you're hardly the important market either, Japan is.

Android OS is the fastest growing mobile OS with a 900% growth rate in the last year and that's based on ONE phone on ONE carrier,

You should be in advertising the way you can spill bullshit.

That statistic means nothing.

That's like me saying I had sex 1 time last week, this week Ive had it 9 times, so that's a 900% growth in one week!

now there are at least 5 phones on multiple carriers. Dell and other companies are already in the process of releasing netbooks running it. It's already taken a huge chunk of market share in the UK and US and continues to do so.

I am sure Asus is scared. You know, a company that actually releases Netbooks.

I think what people don't realise is that Android isn't just backed by Google, but by the Open Handset Alliance - a group of companies all dedicated to pushing Android and constantly working to improve it and find the best ways to utilize it in their products. As of right now, the companies included in the OHA include:



* China Mobile
* China Unicom
* KDDI Corporation
* NTT DoCoMo
* Sprint Nextel
* T-Mobile
* Telecom Italia
* Telefónica
* Vodafone
* Softbank
* Ascender Corporation
* eBay
* Esmertec
* Google
* LivingImage
* NMS Communications
* Nuance Communications
* PacketVideo
* SkyPop
* SONiVOX
* Borqs
* Aplix
* Noser Engineering
* The Astonishing Tribe
* Wind River Systems
* Omron Software
* Teleca
* Audience
* Broadcom Corporation
* Intel Corporation
* Marvell Technology Group
* Nvidia Corporation
* Qualcomm
* SiRF Technology Holdings
* Synaptics
* Texas Instruments
* AKM Semiconductor
* ARM
* Atheros Communications
* EMP
* HTC
* LG
* Motorola
* Samsung Electronics
* ASUSTek
* Garmin
* Huawei Technologies
* Sony Ericsson
* Ericsson
* Toshiba
* Acer
* Dell

All of which will make for great phone support, three of which build computers, none of which develop software anyone cares about in regards to notebooks.

To think that anyone one corporation can compete with all these multinational corporations working together with the same vision, is absolute madness.

Im sure I could make a list three times as long of companies that work with Apple to develop for MacOSX or ten times as long for Microsoft or develop for Windows... But I wont waste my time. Your list means nothing.

You may as well pit Batman on his own against every other Marvel and DC superhero and claim that he has a chance. It's clearly only a matter of time - and projections indiciate another 20 or so corporations will have joined the OHA within another 12 months.

Yeah because you know <sarcasm>Microsoft and Apple work on the poor lonesome </sarcasm>

Like I said, jesus man, go into advertising or politics, you can twist ANYTHING to fit your argument.

With Google set to revolutionise the way we all use the internet completely with Google Wave it's simply not good logic to bet against them right now, in any section of their business.

Meh. Are you serious? Wave wont even have the impact Twitter did. At the end of the day its just a chat, community, and file sharing app.

Im sure youll quote some amazing statistics that dont mean shit though.

I don't use Cubase. I think you know that.

I dont know what you use and I dont care. The point stands. The major apps wont go to Google OS anytime soon because the major players dont care. They can post from Mac OSX to Unix pretty easy seeing as Mac is Unix based but they dont because they dont need to.

You keep talking about multimedia, I've already stated I can't speak for that. Not yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's a long term plan in place that includes multimedia editing as well. No average user will run it? lmao. Well, we'll see about that.

Yep we will.

So what happens if Dell decide to run Chrome OS on every single netbook they sell? Acer too? Between Dell and Acer that's most of your netbook market right there, hardware wise, and they both are part of the OHA and have great relationships with Google.

The same thing that happened to Asus. People delete their web based simple OS and install Windows XP to run the apps they want that Asus OS doesnt support.

This is the stupidest thing I've heard yet in this argument and even Salty will tell you that. the iPhone has an App Store with an approval process. That's what this whole thing is about. Full computer OS don't have that. Anybody can develop an application and release it for any OS, you know that as well as I do.

Sure but Apple own Logic, Final Cut Studio, etc. Digidesign wont move to anything new just look at their track record. My point was, Apple didnt let Google Voice run on the iPhone, do you think they will let apps they own run on Google? No.

Besides that, you're now switching and steering and making a completely different point to your original one - probably because you haven't got a leg to stand on in this argument and you know it.

Youre so catty lol.

I dont have a leg to stand on? Dude youre referring to made up bullshit statistics that dont mean shit and fanboy fantasy.

My point has always been the same. Google OS will be a webbased OS and will not have the support of staple Apps that require it to compete, nor will the mainstream user give a fuck.

Your original point was "Do you think Final Cut Pro will run on a web based OS".

No that was an example to support the above point. Learn the difference.

You were making the point that the OS would not have the capacity to run it.

Ermmm... I never spoke about capacity at all LOL.

I then destroyed that comment, because any can see that it COULD run it, it's a question of hardware and environment.

I never made that comment so the only thing you destroyed was your objectivity.

Regardless lets go with your bullshit. It is to do with hardware (which Google wont have control over so it doesnt factor into yes) and environment. Environment meaning the OS. A OS built to run web apps... On Netbooks... Hmm... Maybe it could run it, who cares, that isnt even the point. Unix machines COULD run it, but they dont, because Apple wont allow it, and that will happen to Google too.

Now you're switching your argument to saying that Apple wouldn't allow it. That's a completely different kettle of fish, so let's look at what could happen in that scenario.

Blah blah blah, twist twist twist, burp burp burp. You're a fanboy. I never switched anything because I never said "google OS will not be able to handle running ******." You're arguing against your own arrogance, not anything I actually said.

1 - Google says to Apple "We want Final Cut Pro for Chrome OS".

2. Apple says "No".

3. Google says "Fine. No more YouTube, Gmail, Google Wave, Google Tasks, Google Documents for iPhone then".

That is impossible. Youtube, gmail etc etc are websites, they will ALWAYS be accessible. And taking core apps away from the MASSIVE iPhone marketshare will have Googles investors shit bricks. Android isnt the boss yet and cant throw its weight around like that.

4. Apple shits bricks and gives Google what they want.

Wont happen, Apple wont be the ones shitting bricks. People dont buy iPhones to use a google app, and can always access them from browsers.

Googles shares benefit more from inclusion in the iPhone than Apples do. You dont understand business if you think otherwise.

You fail to see that Google holds all the cards here. Hell, if Google REALLY wanted to, they could completely block all Google services including Google Search from the iPhone. Dollars to donuts at least 50% of iPhone users would be pissed off enough at Apple's stubborness to switch. It's what's already happened with Google Voice, and that's still a WIP, invitation-only service right now.

Most 14 year old girls and boys at the mall with the latest shiny cool iPhone wont give a fuck.

Blocking Google sites for iPhone users will result in a law suite. Making an app unavailable is one thing, blocking access to sites is another.

I see your Riiiiiiight and raise you a Yeppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp, right I am and you will see.




Captain Obvious for the win. The point is the REASONS Apple have given for denying it are lies and bullshit and they are pissing off their loyal fanbase.




Now who's putting words into the mouth of who? I never said Apple was not a force to be reckoned with. They just aren't compared to Google. They manufacture hardware with proprietary, closed software, which time has proven will never beat open-source and collaborative platforms.

And I care about the truth. That's all.

Its obvious you dont. You pretend to be a crusader for the truth or whatever, a rebel, whatever you want to be, but you're brainwashed and biased by google and you arguments are flawed, biased and just unenlightened.

You give in to hype and have no idea how industry actually works.

You dont have the foresight to see how history has played through this before and how it will happen again.

The weirdest thing is you dont have the logic to see what is happening, you run off on some tangent of what you want to happen, and what you want google to do, not actually what they are doing.

Google is releasing a netbook web based OS. It will run on netbooks and integrate Chrome and email apps for people to surf the net on.

How you think that will impact Apple or Microsoft is beyond me.

You made such a huge leap of faith there I hope you packed a parachute.

 

[Caesar]

If Google was the force that Casey seems to think it was, then most people would be using Chrome, but the fact is most users dont give a fuck about Chrome, just like they dont give a fuck about Google OS.

StreetHop.com user statistics (according to Google Analytics, funnily enough):

IE: 42.62%
Firefox: 39.47%
Safari: 9.44%
Opera: 4.39%
Chrome: 1.84%
Mozilla: 1.04%
Opera Mini: 0.31%
Playstation 3: 0.28%
Mozilla Compatible Agent: 0.10%
PSP: 0.07%

 

[Caesar]

And just to reiterate my point, seeing as it has been twisted beyond belief.

Here are the facts, based on what Google itself says:

Google OS is a webbased OS designed to make surfing the internet and checking your email instant, at this it will probably succeed, and will be great for Netbooks, I am sure Asus is worried. However, it will not have the environment or app support to be able to compete with Windows or Mac OSX or popular Unix builds like Ubuntu (and at it's core it is a Unix app itself!).

The mainstream market will not give up Windows (Windows 7 is launching) for Google OS.

The Apple community, whatever they use Mac for, will not abandon Mac OSX, especially with Snow Leopard around the corner. It just wont happen.

The general computer market has never embraced Unix before, they won't start now (Google OS is a "lite" Unix OS).

The Unix community will not abandon Ubuntu or similar for some stripped down version. Wont happen. Geeks like full control over their OS and "faster and simpler" and "lite" is great for netbooks which are designed to just surf the net, but means "less options" just like the Asus OS if you've ever used it, and so Unix computer users will reject it.

Those are the facts, saying anything else is fanboy fantasy.

 

[_carmi]

i tried chrome... and didn't like it.

 

[masta247]

yeah Chrome is a great browser from the technical point of view but I think that Google's marketing fails. They probably think that their products will market themselves like their search engine does.
Actually they don't have to market gmail, youtube or google maps too.

Another problem with Google as a company is that they don't have that people-friendly image and names of their products are "cold". They don't really attract people.
Android, Chrome - that doesn't appeal to me.

What I've noticed though is that they are trying to take over every bit of the internet. They already have services that would last for any average internet user offering it in one interesting pack + they are coming with new great ideas all the time.

 

[masta247]

 

[Preach]

I'm not gonna change. I used WinAmp, Firefox and Windows for years now. I'll keep using them until they are no longer being produced, no matter if there are new and exciting alternatives. I'll rather wait an extra year for Microsoft to develop a new Windows that follows the trend that new applications might set (*). I'm loyal to the developers that developed programs that I have been satisfied with for a series of years now.

* This point might start the discussion that Microsoft always hijack new and great ideas from other companies that originally developed them. That they "steal ideas". My reply to all such accusations is "k." Don't be so silly.

 

[Casey]

This cartoon is funny because it's bang on point.

Props for posting this.]

As for Caesar's ridiculous stats, we all know that IE will have the majority for a long time. Because it comes shipped with the computers and most people are dumb enough to just use the software that comes with the computer. That's just a fact. When Chrome OS gets market share, which it will once the netbooks are out, the figures for use of the Chrome browser will rise. That's basic logic.

Firefox has the second most amount of users because it is the best browser right now with a huge open source community behind it.

All of the Safari figures come from the small amount of people that own Mac's and aren't smart enough to use Firefox.

I can actually see Chrome becoming the number one browser in a few years. Why? Because people know and trust Google.

 

[Bobby Sands]

Im surprised that more people here are using IE than Firefox.

 

[masta247]

I can actually see Chrome becoming the number one browser in a few years. Why? Because people know and trust Google.

The Ironic thing is that Chrome is actually technically the best and most reliable browser that has passed all the Acid tests (and by Chrome I mean Chrome 2).
It's also fast with only Opera being superior to it.

Personally I use both Opera and Firefox and I find Opera better but it's just a personal habit since I find it even more user-friendly. And it's faster.
Firefox is that popular thanks to the "fuck IE" movement.
I can't stand IE. Even the newest one is not good at all. It's just annoying.

Fortunately Microsoft itself did the right thing by letting people at least in Europe choose the browser they want to use after installing Windows 7.

 

[Casey]

The Ironic thing is that Chrome is actually technically the best and most reliable browser that has passed all the Acid tests (and by Chrome I mean Chrome 2).
It's also fast with only Opera being superior to it.

Personally I use both Opera and Firefox and I find Opera better but it's just a personal habit since I find it even more user-friendly. And it's faster.
Firefox is that popular thanks to the "fuck IE" movement.
I can't stand IE. Even the newest one is not good at all. It's just annoying.

Fortunately Microsoft itself did the right thing by letting people at least in Europe choose the browser they want to use after installing Windows 7.

Yeah. Some of my nephews and nieces were having trouble with Firefox on my Aunt's computer that everyone uses when visiting, I installed Chrome for them as an alternative and it's much faster.

IE is the biggest fail of all time. Quite frankly anyone who uses it is a moron.