Can't Fuckin Sleep

[Euphanasia]

Who here regularly has this problem?

Lately, it's been really bad. The only time I can fall asleep is if I'm completely exhausted. Otherwise, I toss and turn for hours and I'll end up falling asleep at 2am only to get up at 6am for work or some shit.

I also used to be able to wake up in the morning and go right back to sleep. I have the whole day off to day and I'm so tired but I woke up at 945am and couldn't go back to bed.

They seriously have to invent a pill to compensate for sleep so I don't have to worry about it. I'd also have a lot more time to get shit done.

 

[tHuG $TyLe]

Ive always had trouble sleeping, I usually fall asleep around 3-4am. Even when im exhausted I can't sleep.

 

[vg4030]

The trick is to try and stay awake... it normally works

 

[Casey]

They already did invent a pill for that. It's called Modafinil and I use it. Basically, it allows you to sleep for 2-3 hours and you will wake up fully refreshed like you had a full nights sleep.

It's also an antidepressant and mood/memory enhancer, it makes you more intelligent too. Plus, it has been used by people trying to quit smoking/drugs, or lose weight.

There's been controversy from parents, basically saying that when this shit is everywhere, say a decade from now, they're worried that their kids will fall behind if they don't give them the pill. One guy I heard of, went round a few universities in the UK a few weeks before finals, and made $6,000 profit from selling it to students, cos it really works. Particularly on the side of your brain that deals with maths and problems, it works wonders.

The US and British armies give them to the troops in Iraq. In a test, it was noted that a helicopter pilot have improved responses when he had not slept in 48 hours and was on the medication, compared to when he was not on the medication and had a full nights sleep.

One time, we were playing at a big music festival and I decided I wasn't going to sleep that night. Everyone else crashed out a 3am, so I took the pill at 3am too. When literally thousands of people at this festival were all asleep, circa 5am or so, I was still dancing in a muddy field (with my earphones on, all the live music was finished at that point). We went home and everyone else was still so knackered that they went to bed to sleep it off - I however had a fully functional day.

It was developed as a cure for narcolepsy (involuntarily falling asleep) and works by blocking the sensors that make you feel tired. However, if you decide to sleep it won't affect you - but like I said, you can get 2 hours and feel like you got 8. Oh yeah, and it's neuroprotective too. That means it protects your brain from developing degenerative conditions like Alzheimers and Parkinsons.

 

[Chronic]

^^
Sounds like a very dangerous drug in the long-run if you're using it for any other use than fighting narcolepsy.

 

[Da_Funk]

^^
Sounds like a very dangerous drug in the long-run if you're using it for any other use than fighting narcolepsy.

Yeah I was just gonna say. If you keep taking that there's gonna be some very serious side effects.

 

[raywaters11]

That pill sounds really fucked up but I wanna try it... Legal in the US?

 

[Casey]

Yeah I was just gonna say. If you keep taking that there's gonna be some very serious side effects.

Actually, in 9 years of USA government testing, only six cases were found with significant side effects.

Here's the breakdown of minor side-effects, as compared with a placebo (the first number is the drug, second number is placebo)

* Common
o Headache (34% vs 23%)
o Nausea (11% vs 3%)
* Less common
o Nervousness (7% vs 3%)
o Insomnia (5% vs 1%)
o Anxiety (5% vs 1%)
o Dizziness (5% vs 4%)
* Infrequent
o Chest pain (3% vs 1%)
o Hypertension (3% vs 1%)
o Tachycardia (2% vs 1%)
o Vasodilatation (2% vs 0%)
o Dry mouth (4% vs 2%)
o Paresthesia (2% vs 0%)
o Pharyngitis (4% vs 2%)
o Anorexia (4% vs 1%)

I'm willing to deal with the occasional headache in light of the benefits here.

 

[vg4030]

As long as it doesnt cause impotence, I'd try it

 

[Chronic]

Actually, in 9 years of USA government testing

I don't really know anything about sleep but 9 years still doesn't seem like enough time to me. Also, how were they tested? Did those people all sleep 2 hours instead of 8? Difference between feeling refreshed and being refreshed.

 

[Sebastian]

If there is anything i dont have the slightest problem with, its gotta be sleeping.

 

[Da_Funk]

Actually, in 9 years of USA government testing, only six cases were found with significant side effects.

Here's the breakdown of minor side-effects, as compared with a placebo (the first number is the drug, second number is placebo)

* Common
o Headache (34% vs 23%)
o Nausea (11% vs 3%)
* Less common
o Nervousness (7% vs 3%)
o Insomnia (5% vs 1%)
o Anxiety (5% vs 1%)
o Dizziness (5% vs 4%)
* Infrequent
o Chest pain (3% vs 1%)
o Hypertension (3% vs 1%)
o Tachycardia (2% vs 1%)
o Vasodilatation (2% vs 0%)
o Dry mouth (4% vs 2%)
o Paresthesia (2% vs 0%)
o Pharyngitis (4% vs 2%)
o Anorexia (4% vs 1%)

I'm willing to deal with the occasional headache in light of the benefits here.

Just out of curiosity, where did you grab these results from and are they reliable?


I think we may be talking about two different things here. Are you talking about taking one of this pills every so often or using them as a daily substitue for sleep? If the former disregard the rest.


I just can't believe that this pill would be healthy over the long term. Blocking the sensors that make you feel tired does not change the fact that the human brain and body NEED sleep to function properly. Blocking those receptors will only work for so long before your body will start to shut down involuntarily.

 

[Bobby Sands]

Maybe thats why you are so angry and down these days? You cant get enough sleep.

 

[Shadows]

Maybe thats why you are so angry and down these days? You cant get enough sleep.

BINGO. thats what i was going to say.

There is a reason why we sleep and a reason why we dream.

Dreaming is for the mind to sort out things and kind of restart refreshed...kind of like a tune up for a car.

Dude, you need sleep.

I would stop taking the pills. for atleast 30-45 days, and see how you are with anger.

EDIT: Not to mention, can you truly take it with alcohol in your system?

 

[Rahim]

stay away from caffeine and try saying this 9 times fast:

Five flashy flappers

Flitting forth fleetly

Found four flightly flappers

Flirting flippantly.

 

[Casey]

I would stop taking the pills. for atleast 30-45 days, and see how you are with anger.

Bobby wasn't talking to me when he mentioned being angry and down. He was referring to the thread starter.

Just out of curiosity, where did you grab these results from and are they reliable?


I think we may be talking about two different things here. Are you talking about taking one of this pills every so often or using them as a daily substitue for sleep? If the former disregard the rest.


I just can't believe that this pill would be healthy over the long term. Blocking the sensors that make you feel tired does not change the fact that the human brain and body NEED sleep to function properly. Blocking those receptors will only work for so long before your body will start to shut down involuntarily.

New Scientist magazine. They are accurate.

I agree that using them as a daily substitute for sleep wouldn't be healthy, but that's not what I use them for, that's just ONE of things that they can be used for which is why I brought it up in this thread.

I was told about it from my doctor to help with my ADHD. I took them every day throughout 2007 and less so this year, primarily because they're pretty expensive.

 

[S O F I]

Da Funk was asking about long-term effects, while you provided short-term/side effects.

When Chronic said 9 years wasn't enough, he meant the harm of the drug over the long-term.

It's something to think about, man. Personally, I think taking ANY drug for a prolonged period of time isn't healthy and could have serious health effects down the road.

Can you think of how taking a drug that blocks sensors that make you feel tired for a prolonged period of time can have bad long-term effects?

What happens with prolonged heroin use? The body gets used to the heroin reducing the pain and stops producing its own chemicals that do the job.

I'm not trying to say that what you're taking is as serious as heroin by any means, but I can see potential problems with prolonged use.

 

[Casey]

I mean, 9 years is a pretty long time. And you have to think that with the US, British and French armies all giving them to the troops, that they would have tested it very thoroughly before doing that.

The drug just hasn't been around long enough for serious long time study, as in a life span. But that's not a massive issue to me.

To me, this is just an improvement on caffeine, which hundreds of millions of people take every day. This has wayyyyy less potential risks than caffeine because it isn't a stimulant. It's not stimulating a person, it's just stopping you from feeling tired. You may still BE tired, you just won't realize it.

I do have small concerns over the long term side effects. But like anyone seeking to improve themselves, it's a case of risk and benefit. I'd rather use the drug and not have mood swings and be able to focus. My ADHD is bad enough that I have difficulty focusing on anything, even things I like to do. I never felt I was addicted to smoking cigarettes, but this stops the desire to smoke before it starts, thus improving my health there. It enhances my mood, so that I don't get pissed off about something random and be in a bad mood (which always seems to end in me hurting other people by being negative or just plain blanking them).

It's just about finding a good balance really. It'd be easy to just be on it all the time.....but I'm trying my best to avoid that. Before when I was on them all the time, if I forgot one day to take it, it would be pretty noticeable. My "normal" attributes would feel worse than usual, because of what you said, getting used to it etc. That's the main risk as far as day-to-day usage goes, at least in my case.