Capital Punishment

ARon

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#23
^ I was actually gonna bring up DNA evidence being used yadda yadda but it would of strayed the topic, god damn that shit is fucked.
 

The.Menace

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#24
DNA doesn't say if you're guilty or not ^^ ......

...and the point is, from prison you actually have a chance 2 set them free again if u realize u were wrong.
 

ARon

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#25
^That's why I was gonna bring something up along the lines of not killing people on death row who were there cus of DNA evidence until something else is done. All the testing problems and wrongly convicted comin to light recently cus of DNA evidence being wrong for whatever reason, it aint a good look for something that used to be the best evidence you can have besides a guilty plea.
 

The.Menace

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#26
No a lot of net 'light' came cause we have DNA evidence now....they did have another look at evidences from times we didn't had those DNA tests and had 2 admit they killed an awful lot people that seem 2 be innocent (and many claimed until there exectution that they were innocent and like mentioned before, the majority is black....)

.....havin said that, it just show that u can never be sure. Back then the jury hopefully did their best 2 find the truth and that wasn't possible. Now we have DNA, but who knows what we are able 2 do in 20 years? And like I said, back then they were sure too that they do the right thing so......
 

ARon

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#27
What I'm talking about are expert witnesses, the dudes doin the DNA testing, contaminating evidence, lying, yadda yadda, it aint really the science that is bad but the system is, of course.
 

Duke

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#28
Against it, for the simple reason one can never revert it.

And people shouldn't see jail or capital punishment as actual punishment. The point is not to piss the criminal off, the point is to protect society from him or her.

There aren't enough valid reasons for the death sentence to warrant it's existance, especially in today's world. It's too big of a risk.

And to the dude that said something to the extent that it's cheaper to kill criminals than to lock them up....did you just equate human life to money? If so, then please fuck off and die, you are not fit to be part of humanity.
 

S O F I

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#30
did you just equate human life to money? If so, then please fuck off and die, you are not fit to be part of humanity.
Why? It's done all the time in law. How do you think compensation works in torts and criminal law?

I mean, your opinion is admirable in an idealist kind of way, but in reality, it just doesn't cut it. It gets you kudos from men like Tommy, but that's about it.
 

The.Menace

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#31
The main reason is "Against it, for the simple reason one can never revert it." ... the money aspect isn't as important as we mentioned before that at least in the US it costs more to execute that person than 2 keep him/her in jail.
 

Preach

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#32
I had originally typed out a long ass post, then I accidentally closed the window before submitting it. Fuck.

To cut it short, no, I don't support it. I mean how fucking stupid do you have to be to NOT see that the only thing the eye-for-an-eye mentality achieves is satisfying the irrational, egoistic desires for revenge that any victim of something unpleasant would have. It's funny that if I kill someone in the heat of the moment I'm a senseless killer, but if I'm standing in a courtroom saying I demand to see the person who commited crime X put to death, I'm still just a poor victim. The offender doesn't necessarily understand what's wrong when you kill him. It's an easy way out. Prisons are no good, death penalty is no good, there are too many people in the world today to make a universal rule by which people are punished for crimes that would actually practically work, so right now maybe Capital Punishment is the best way to weed out the worst criminal offenders.

But I don't think it's right.
 

Duke

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#34
Why? It's done all the time in law. How do you think compensation works in torts and criminal law?

I mean, your opinion is admirable in an idealist kind of way, but in reality, it just doesn't cut it. It gets you kudos from men like Tommy, but that's about it.

Aspects of the law aside, where you sometimes *have* to make some type of money to life equation, I will say "Fuck off and die" to any- and everyone that will ever make a decision based on a weigh up of life vs. money.

Idealist? Most likely. But when you start to think that "It's just the way it is, tough luck" on rather principal things (such as human rights for example), you're entering a very slippery slope of trying to decide what then becomes morally acceptable and what doesn't. Any time a voluntary and theoretically unnecessary comparison is drawn between human life and money, such as car companies assessing accidents and then deciding on whether to pull the model back based on a weigh up of production loss and possible court cases or whatever, you're essentially not giving a moral crap about somebody's life.

Now I happen to feel that such a way of thinking is quite wrong, and it makes you a senseless bastard that only cares about his or her own little egocentrical world, where nothing matters until it happens in your own circle. You can call me an idealist for that, I like to think of myself as a conscious human being.
 

S. Fourteen

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#35
Allen Wane Janecka Executed: 7-24-2003 Record: - 2 years for burglary, paroled 1973 - violated his parole 1974, paroled 1974 - 5 years burglary 1976, discharged 1978 -1979 Murder-for-hire killing of 14 month old Kevin Wanstrath. The infant was shot to death in his crib after his parents were slain by Janecka. Janecka was hired by Kevin's uncle to collect the family estate. When domesticated animals aren't able to function in society, they are put to death, and some of these people are less than dogs. They sure love fried chicken http://web.archive.org/web/20031001190442/www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/finalmeals.htm
 

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