Heaven DOESNT exist!

Shadows

Well-Known Member
#81
What god does this guy prove to exist?

You may not be a religious extremist but you are highly ignorant on this subject.

Probably due to your faith.
Why don't you read up on it? The smartest man in the world, said it. right? He must be right, bc he's the "smartest man in the world" Atheist are hunger for logic, but when the smartest man in the world proves A God exists, you guys turn away.

No, i'm not. Count how many Laws we have, and how much theories we have.

I just recently got into this Faith shit last year. ppl of religious views , or even those that don't have them look up to a "God" when we are down. it makes ppl feel better. i tried it.

I simply was down, asked "God" to point me into a direction, and then a computer that hadn't worked for 2 weeks or 2 months (I forgot) "Magically" turned on.

And before I said to give me a sign i said "If i should pursue a career in this, turn on the computer" if i should continue engineering, don't turn on the computer.

It was my way of saying, yo, i'm on the right path. There is no God, so it wont happen, and i feel like i need this for motivation to continue my goal in engineering. (SCIENCE and Math). But the cpu turned on. I got online, and did some research on some stuff and then more shit happened. I've been working on a new goal for a year, and it's not like im in a rush to finish my engineering degree since there isn't that much jobs right now anyway. So whether it works or not, doesn't faze me.

And years before this, when my friend had Passed away, i didn't see it as coincidence that she was giving me signs to do what i am set out to do by "God" when i asked him that night.

Sounds crazy, but when shit moves, and a cross defy's gravity, i believe shit.

Look, get a pen. hold it straight down, at the tip...then with your thumb, move it down. the way the pen moved, is how the cross moved.

went from an I

to ------ a sideways motion. hanging off a wall and it stayed like that. there was no motion in the house, i put my hand under and over it. nothing. i was kind of scared, i didn't touch it, but i should have.

anyway, i started to think, like u guys. i thought, "ppl of faith aren't that smart" then i started to see that ppl that are successful and have money always talk of God and praise him. I thought, it's just to be politically correct. and They all had different religions, but i came across a very successful man that's a millionaire, (which is a man who lives by Faith, but SMART enough to be a millionaire, which none of you guys are)....so i decided to listen to the conversation he had directed to ME.
Like really dude? I started to follow you on twitter, You never do this, but you DM me and know some things about me i didn't put on twitter, and tell me some stuff?

Thats how i found my "faith"
 

Casey

Well-Known Member
Staff member
#82
Hardly any facts? LOL. Science is ALL facts and evidence. That is the point. As Sebastian said, that is a very ignorant thing to say.

There was no "Eve", LMFAO. They have bones and evidence of pre homo-sapiens (ie, the previous form of life we evolved from), from over 200,000 years ago. I did see some religious idiots claiming they found "the bones of Eve" from 6,000 years ago. Which clearly is a complete crock of shit, funny how they shut up when everybody else asked for some evidence or carbon dating.

And Christopher Langan is FAR from being "the smartest man in the world" lol. It's not even close. He has a high IQ. That's all. That's the potential for intelligence. Not intelligence itself. Technically he may have a higher IQ than Einstein, but if you believe he's smarter than Einstein was you'd have to be smoking crack. I didn't address that post originally because it was obviously laughable horseshit, but since you decided to repost it....

So you believe in god because your computer you thought was broken turned on? No, you had faith before that and you attributed random occurences to it.
 

Pittsey

Knock, Knock...
Staff member
#84
As time passes, something we used to know to be true, is later proven wrong with further science advances.
Then another theory comes. ...etc. So far, Science is just theory, hardly any facts.

They say the world is so and so years old, then they find bones to a "Eve" and say it's older. hmm...

Science doesn't seem to be always right bro.

My point is, i'm no religious fanatic. But the reasons for the "sins" is that if you follow all, you generally find happiness.

and i have yet to see anyone go and talk about this post yet.

The key difference is that Science claims it is a theory. Science submits a theory, backs it with data. Then this is accepted until a new theory is presented with greater data.

When do Religions say "Well, there may be a god or there might not be." And when have they presented any evidence besides some man written stories?
 

Flipmo

VIP Member
Staff member
#85
Wrong. The Romans set the WInter Solstice at December 25th. This happened 50 years before the alleged birth of Christ. See the pattern?
The 25th of December is a major pagan holiday. The reason why Jesus' birthday is associated to that date is because once Christianity was spreading across Europe, Germanic pagan tribes were still quite powerful. As a way so assimilate them to Christianity (and make them an ally by doing so), they integrated Pagan holidays and customs within Christianity. Christmas trees, Mistletoes, etc are all strong pagan customs which squeezed their way in Christmas and traditions associated to it.

Most academics and research would actually place the birth of Jesus (or the traditional Joshua) in the fall, some have pointed out specifically October.

Anyways, the best "holiday" is Halloween. I love the lore and stories that surround it, and the fact that everyone is thrilled to dress up and have a good time is great as well.
 

Pittsey

Knock, Knock...
Staff member
#86
The 25th of December is a major pagan holiday. The reason why Jesus' birthday is associated to that date is because once Christianity was spreading across Europe, Germanic pagan tribes were still quite powerful. As a way so assimilate them to Christianity (and make them an ally by doing so), they integrated Pagan holidays and customs within Christianity. Christmas trees, Mistletoes, etc are all strong pagan customs which squeezed their way in Christmas and traditions associated to it.

Most academics and research would actually place the birth of Jesus (or the traditional Joshua) in the fall, some have pointed out specifically October.
While I know the actual date in modern times changes and that it is usually around December 21st. Winter Solstice was also on December 25th just a few years before the alleged birth of Christ. And I quote - "In 46 BCE, Julius Caesar in his Julian calendar established December 25 as the date of the winter solstice of Europe". A lot of people believe this is 40 years before the "birth" of Christ. Because we aren't even sure of the actual year of his birth!!



And as no-one seems to agree on Jesus birth date. And the fact he is the most important part of Christianity.... Doesn't this make a mockery of Christianity and all it's parts? If the date is incorrect, what else is incorrect? The Julian calendar as the quote above shows, was around at the time of Jesus birth. It was around for the new testament. So why is this information not available? Maybe someone else knows and I've missed it. But if they don't, doesn't it show a lack of credibility of the other information in the bible?

EDIT - I believe I have found the answers to the above from some reading.
 

Jokerman

Well-Known Member
#87
First, "the smartest man in the world" is a media-created phrase that is virtually meaningless. All he did was score high on an IQ test, which just shows he's good at answering questions that are on IQ tests. In research, the term "intelligence" is far too vague to be useful. In the 1960s, "intelligence" used to be defined as "what is measured with an IQ test." Great scientific definition, huh? Now the term "cognitive functions" is used, and it tries to measure a lot more than IQ tests do. You should read The Mismeasure of Man by Stephen jay Gould, if you're interested in intelligence testing and what's wrong with it.

Langdon is simply saying the universe is like a mind and our minds are parts of this big mind. This is not a new idea and I think it's a good way as any to look at it. However, he chooses to call this metaphor "the Mind of God," but he does not relate it to any religion's conception of "God." One could say the same thing by calling it "the Universe." The point is, his theory or mathematical "proof" (which he has yet to present 10 years after he said he had it) should not be taken up by religious believers in God as backing up their faith belief. It's got nothing to do with it. If he has anything beyond theory, it's simply a description of the universe like other scientific descriptions. He just irresponsibly and unscientifically uses the word "God."

And rich and successful people often thanking God is not evidence that God helped them. It's just evidence that poor and unsuccessful people who have belief in God do not go blaming God for their bad luck or lack of motivation. But to be fair, they should, (cause even heaven got a ghetto). It's probably also evidence that you watch a lot of award shows with black people who out of cultural habit feel they have to thank God every time they win something.

50 Cent: "I want to thank God for inspiring me to write, "Smack Dat Hoe in the Fat Ass with a Fat Dick." In fact, God gave me that title. I was gonna call it "You're Beautiful" but God said, no, you want a hit, then Smack Dat Hoe." (Audience, which includes Shadows, cheers, their faith once more being affirmed)
 

Synful*Luv

Well-Known Member
Staff member
#88
I'm confused about your post Shadows..

Why did you believe the millionaire? Because he had money?

And you just recently became religious? Why? I'm curious. I mean, what led you to decide that you needed religion and a deity in your life?
 

Jokerman

Well-Known Member
#89
And you just recently became religious? Why? I'm curious. I mean, what led you to decide that you needed religion and a deity in your life?
He said he was down and it made him feel better.

That, unfortunately, is one of the powers of religion or a belief in God. You can use it, if you believe it, to make you feel better, to help you get through things, whether it's true or not. But some of us care more about being sure that what we depend on is real, and therefore, really dependable than others apparently do. They don't care enough or have the critical skills to decide for themselves, so they look to other people's experience who believe. And since it can help whether true or not, that's all they need to influence them to believe themselves.
 

EDouble

Will suck off black men for a dime
#92
the pretentiousness in here is despicable I dont know if "masta has been in this posting yet but it seems it could be an underlying theme of some of these posts once he claimed something like statistics show poor people need some thing to hope for so..." What the fuck kind of 'argument' against religion is that? youd rather every one be without hope in Any situation so they can Get on with your Reality that isn't yours
 

vg4030

Well-Known Member
#93
the pretentiousness in here is despicable I dont know if "masta has been in this posting yet but it seems it could be an underlying theme of some of these posts once he claimed something like statistics show poor people need some thing to hope for so..." What the fuck kind of 'argument' against religion is that? youd rather every one be without hope in Any situation so they can Get on with your Reality that isn't yours
No one said there is anything wrong with having hope. But why not have hope in yourself, rather than 'hope' that someone living in the clouds will save you?
 

Pittsey

Knock, Knock...
Staff member
#94
because u cant "Proove". it's about having Faith, ever heard of it?
God works in mysterious ways.

the pretentiousness in here is despicable I dont know if "masta has been in this posting yet but it seems it could be an underlying theme of some of these posts once he claimed something like statistics show poor people need some thing to hope for so..." What the fuck kind of 'argument' against religion is that? youd rather every one be without hope in Any situation so they can Get on with your Reality that isn't yours

I don't think it's an argument against religion. It's an explanation of why, what seem to be intelligent people, believe in what basically amounts to fairy stories. If you change the word God to Dragon and Jesus to Minator, you'll see how an atheist sees religion.
 

EDouble

Will suck off black men for a dime
#97
I don't think it's an argument against religion. It's an explanation of why, what seem to be intelligent people, believe in what basically amounts to fairy stories
i dont see the correlation between fairy stories and words from a higher power in someones life
 

vg4030

Well-Known Member
#99
why should people for whom this is intertwined be ridiculed?
They should not be ridiculed. They should be helped. If their self esteem is so low that they dont believe in themselves, they would be better off spending sunday mornings in classes that teach them to help themselves. Not in church being told whats right and wrong from a guy reading a book written by another guy(s) who say its gods word
 

EDouble

Will suck off black men for a dime
They should not be ridiculed. They should be helped. If their self esteem is so low that they dont believe in themselves, they would be better off spending sunday mornings in classes that teach them to help themselves. Not in church being told whats right and wrong from a guy reading a book written by another guy(s) who say its gods word
where did I mention some one who doesnt believe in theirselves?

what are we arguing?
the Bible being accurate in history or archeology -do you also not trust all history written by some guys and if its read by yourself or read to you by some other guys
 

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