i gota good point 4 u guys
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well you saw it in a movie, so i guess it MUST be true
if the movie proved it, then why isn't anyone in jail? i'd think that a movie showing proof that this is what happened would be enough to help to get a conviction. however nothing in that movie shows any proof whatsoever of anything. you would be surprised the kind of shit people will make up when there is a camera in their face. don't beleive everything you see and hear in a movie, or everything you read. try thinking for yourself and using your own thoughts instead of just latching onto some British moviemaker's beliefs. it's pretty easy to make things fit into the package you want them to fit into when you already have your mind made up about what happened, and Nick Broomfield believed that Suge was involved in Pac and Biggie's murders before he started the movie. i would be much more willing to believe something like this from someone who is totally subjective and open minded on the subject, but when you are trying to find evidence that fits your theory, you don't have an open mind and are going to avoid things that don't fit into your beliefs.
if the movie proved it, then why isn't anyone in jail? i'd think that a movie showing proof that this is what happened would be enough to help to get a conviction. however nothing in that movie shows any proof whatsoever of anything. you would be surprised the kind of shit people will make up when there is a camera in their face. don't beleive everything you see and hear in a movie, or everything you read. try thinking for yourself and using your own thoughts instead of just latching onto some British moviemaker's beliefs. it's pretty easy to make things fit into the package you want them to fit into when you already have your mind made up about what happened, and Nick Broomfield believed that Suge was involved in Pac and Biggie's murders before he started the movie. i would be much more willing to believe something like this from someone who is totally subjective and open minded on the subject, but when you are trying to find evidence that fits your theory, you don't have an open mind and are going to avoid things that don't fit into your beliefs.man, i'm not even arguing with you, i'm not trying to dispute that Suge was in on killing Biggie, i believe he was, but again i say just cuz some guy said it happened like that doesn't automatically make it so. i mean how do you know this bookkeeper doesn't have some kind of grudge against Suge? it is not a fact just because this guy said it was so. i still say that if anything in that movie could be proven, we wouldn't be arguing about it and these guys would be in jail. so that movie proves nothing. and there is still no way i believe that Suge was involved in Pac's death. Nick Broomfield is a good documentary filmmaker (check out his 2 films about Aileen Wuornos) but he had his facts wrong on this one, as well as the whole Kurt And Courtney movie he did as well.
actually...if suge wanted pac shot and didn't want to get caught up in the hail of bullets...
all the shooter would have to do is pull up a lil bit farther and aim bacc wards a lil bit so that the bullets would go towards pac and towards the bacc seat...not towards suge...even the most novice of shooters could follow that n' not fucc it up...not like the gun was an automatic
all the shooter would have to do is pull up a lil bit farther and aim bacc wards a lil bit so that the bullets would go towards pac and towards the bacc seat...not towards suge...even the most novice of shooters could follow that n' not fucc it up...not like the gun was an automatic
when you have millions of dollars riding on this hit, would you be willing to take that risk? all it would take is one single stray, or even a ricochet (which can easily happen, even with a pro shooter) and Suge is as dead as Pac. ask yourself, if you were in that situation, and you were gonna have someone capped like that, would you be willing to take that risk? especially when there are about a million different ways it could go down without putting himself at risk, i don't think Suge would be crazy enough to take that chance.
okay, first of all, just because you think i don't believe what you believe are the "facts" doesn't make me dumb. second, do you even know how to read? and you're calling me dumb lol. i'm agreeing with you, i've been saying that Suge was involved with BIG's death, i never once said i didn't believe that. however i didn't come to that conlusion from some movie made by a director with an agenda, and i still say that most of the "facts" from that movie are not real facts at all, but only speculation and his-word-aginst-mine bullshit that doesn't prove a goddamn thing. i said i can never believe that Suge had Pac killed.
also i gotta ask, do you think Suge killed Pac? cuz there are some solid "facts" presented in the movie that "prove" that as well. and if you don't believe that, well then why do you assume that the shit about BIG's death is true, and the stuff about Pac's death is not?
my whole point was that you shouldn't take the word of a director with an agenda as facts. he's going to talk to the people who will tell him what he wants to hear, and if they don't tell him what he wants to hear, well then you won't see them in the movie. when you set out to make a movie that proves something you believe, you are only going to look for the information that you want to see and ignore what doesn't work for you. he did the same shit in the Kurt and Courtney movie, he believed Courtney had Kurt killed, and he set out to prove that, and ignored anything that would point to the idea that Kurt killed himself. if he had come into the Tupac and Biggie project with an open mind, setting out to find out who killed these 2 men, then i might trust his movie more. but he believed from the start that Suge had both Pac and BIG killed, and he set out to try and prove that. and nothing in the movie proves anything, it's all speculation.
also i gotta ask, do you think Suge killed Pac? cuz there are some solid "facts" presented in the movie that "prove" that as well. and if you don't believe that, well then why do you assume that the shit about BIG's death is true, and the stuff about Pac's death is not?
my whole point was that you shouldn't take the word of a director with an agenda as facts. he's going to talk to the people who will tell him what he wants to hear, and if they don't tell him what he wants to hear, well then you won't see them in the movie. when you set out to make a movie that proves something you believe, you are only going to look for the information that you want to see and ignore what doesn't work for you. he did the same shit in the Kurt and Courtney movie, he believed Courtney had Kurt killed, and he set out to prove that, and ignored anything that would point to the idea that Kurt killed himself. if he had come into the Tupac and Biggie project with an open mind, setting out to find out who killed these 2 men, then i might trust his movie more. but he believed from the start that Suge had both Pac and BIG killed, and he set out to try and prove that. and nothing in the movie proves anything, it's all speculation.
naw, i know what you meant, but i don't think it's possible to be 100% sure that you won't get hit or catch a stray bullet in a situation like that. like i said, it's damn near impossible to predict where a bullet will end up, and any one of the shots fired could have ricocheted and hit Suge, killing him as well. i just don't think he'd be crazy enough to take that risk when there are a million other possible ways he could have had him popped that wouldn't have put his own life in danger.
btw, does anyone else find it slightly amusing that Pac's been dead over 10 years now, and we're STILL arguing over this shit?
btw, does anyone else find it slightly amusing that Pac's been dead over 10 years now, and we're STILL arguing over this shit?
Take a look at the way that car got shot up. Nobody could confuse Anderson with a marksman. There's no way in hell Suge would plan that hit while in the car with a shooter like that firing a glock a dozen times.
That car got hit in the windshield, door panels, tires, etc. The fact that Pac almost survived the shooting is a testament to how poorly conceived and executed that shooting was, which is more proof of the fact that it wasn't a planned hit so much as an opportunistic retaliation.
Compare the Pac shooting to the BIG shooting. Biggie was DOA, hit in the chest several times by a shooter who clearly knew what he was doing.
That car got hit in the windshield, door panels, tires, etc. The fact that Pac almost survived the shooting is a testament to how poorly conceived and executed that shooting was, which is more proof of the fact that it wasn't a planned hit so much as an opportunistic retaliation.
Compare the Pac shooting to the BIG shooting. Biggie was DOA, hit in the chest several times by a shooter who clearly knew what he was doing.
Suge killed well got Pac killed cuz he dumb fat ass thought Ms Afeni was gonna morn n not sue his fat ass!!Suge is behind this!He was gonna do what she is doin!Put a Pac album out change everything like beats so he can get it cheaper n still was gonna profit.Pac sells!!"If I knew who killed him I wouldnt say,not my job"!He said shit like that!Why not say?Thats yaa man i thought!!!That aint snitchin!!Thats justice 4 ya man!!!Dont snitch or tell get, revenge, he didnt!!!He knows who did it he set my man up!!!Pay backs a fat bitch!!!Pac will get justice!!!Sugar if u did this the man up stairs will get u or some1 will set ya fat ass up at a Burger King u broke $11 in my bank account!!!Keep realeasin Pac shit that we all got!!!Dvds u keep puttin out!!I say bootleg everythin he does to show him we aint scared or dumb n we know make his ass have a guilty conscience!!Sugar u used to be man unntil u said "If i know it aint my job"!U Bitch!!IM in Baltimore I wear Pac shirts everyday n rap his shit come get me!!!!
I live down in Southern Cali, I've never really met someone who didnt like pac down here. Every race has love for em down here, i've seen whites, mexicans, indians, arabs, asians, etc.. wearing Pac shirts and Bumpin pac music. All Eyez On Me is still number 1 down here. It reminds me of 96' when everybody was bumping hit em up, how do u want it, and 2 of americaz most wanted.
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