Ignorance is Bliss VS The Painful Truth?

Casey

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Would love to hear your thoughts on this.

I'm going to share a personal story with you.

Well, my life has been somewhat defined by a major personal tragedy, the death of my mother when I was 5 years old. It affected the way I look at the world, my relationships with people, my issues with woman, my lack of understanding of certain things that most people take for granted (ie, the things that a child learns from his or her mother).

Now, how that relates to the topic is thus - as a child, there was a person that I believed to be a family friend. A friend of my father. This man was a doctor. My sister and I referred to him as "Uncle". We would go round to his house regularly and have fun, he had kids the same age as me and my sister. I had good memories of being around this man and his family throughout my childhood and early adolescence.

I left home when I was 15. Obviously, as I began to live my own life as an individual, rather than being a child in the household of my father, I didn't see this person again. Then, when I was 16 or so, he passed away. I went to the memorial at his house and offered my condolences to his wife and children. At this point I still had fond memories of him.

But when I was 17, I learned something that destroyed all of this. Something that made me feel as if I'd been lied to, all my life. Something that made me feel bitter and resentful. Something that affected me very deeply, and threw me off course for a while, affecting my relationships, affecting my mood, my mental state, my emotional state.

It turns out, that this man, the man who I called "Uncle", was more or less completely accountable for my mothers death.

There is a problem within the medical community here in England whereby some immigrants have been allowed to operate as doctors for years despite not being qualified. It may be to do with forged documentation from universities or establishments in India that cannot be proven one way or the other. I am sure the system must be tighter now and it doesn't happen any more, but there are still many doctors who have been working as such for many years. It is impossible to disprove their background and impossible to strip them of their titles, etc. I don't know if it's present in other ethnic communities, but it certainly happened a lot with people that moved here from India.

Anyway, this man was almost certainly one of those people and since he moved here he had been working as a GP (General Practitioner) with his own doctors offices. He was the local doctor for my mother when her cancer developed. However, for over a year, he simply continued to prescribe her painkillers, treating the symptoms without any effort to look into the cause of them. He did not refer her for further check-ups. He abused his position of trust, because she did trust him. She had no reason not to.

Only when my mother and father bought a new house in a different area, and she then went to see her local doctor in that area, was it discovered that she had cancer. She underwent chemotherapy and radiation treatment, but by that time, it was too late, and she died not long after.

Now, my father obviously does not blame this person and for whatever reason, felt the need to shield me from the facts of what had happened, and encouraged friendships with this man and his family. I can't speculate on the reasons for that and I don't want to.

But the point is that my father obviously felt I would be better off not knowing. Maybe I would have been better off. I would have avoided a lot of inner turmoil. I would have been able to continue on the positive path I had been on before this happened and focused my energy of something good and productive instead of the cycle of anger and resentment that it took me a while to recover from, and in some ways I never fully recovered. All of those previously good memories from my childhood are now tainted, and it hurts.

Once you have learned the painful truth of a situation, it's easy to get on your moral high horse and convince yourself that it's better that you found out the truth. But is it worth the price you have to pay for it?

If there was hypothetically another situation that might affect you that deeply, would you still choose to want to know the truth, even knowing that you would suffer? It's a very difficult question because our human nature wants to know the truth. If you knew that there was something you didn't know, then human nature means we'll want to know. That's why I said hypothetically.

It's like The Matrix. If you were living an awesome life, and you had no idea it wasn't real, surely that's better off than knowing the truth, unplugging yourself, and spending the rest of your life on some dirty ass ship eating tasteless crap? I'm not talking about being Neo and being the chosen one, just an average guy, like that bald guy that was the traitor and went back into the Matrix and had his memory wiped because he realised that it was way better in there than the shithole ship, even though being on the ship was the "truth" of reality.

What do you guys think?
 

Flipmo

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Firstly, sorry to hear about your mother. I know you've said in the past that you've lost when you were very young, but we obviously never knew the circumstances.

I can't say I can relate to you, but when I was young my parents divorced, and I hardly see my father nowadays. Can't even remember the last time I did see him. Anyways, that is aside the point. As a kid I was led to believe he was a great guy, this sort of great father figure, someone you can look up to, but as a grew older I noticed things seemed quite off about him. Stories he's said, things he did. Eventually, I asked family members and generally the truth came out about him. The kind of person he really was. I won't go into specifics about it, but he was far from the person I was led to believe. This obviously changed my outlook about him, and I think under the circumstances you start to feel deceived.

Now, while I know this is nothing close to what you may have gone through. I feel knowing the painful truth is better than being ignorant. I don't need to live in some fantasy world where everything seems Ok. I personally like to face it head on and make my decisions regarding the truth, instead of living a lie, especially when it comes to people close to me. Ignorance is bliss, but knowledge is power.
As for this uncle figure, I don't see why you should be friendly with him. He abused the system and gave a misdiagnosis which lead to the death of someone who could have helped you through life. Painkillers?! Are you fucking kidding me... He should be imprisoned or sued to death. Some people don't deserve sympathy.
 

Casey

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Firstly, sorry to hear about your mother. I know you've said in the past that you've lost when you were very young, but we obviously never knew the circumstances.
Thank you. It's been 17 years, but it never gets any easier. I've been thinking about her a lot lately, because one my uncles (her younger brother) died 2 weeks ago and his funeral was last Friday. Strangely enough, he died on her birthday, and they had been very close.

I can't say I can relate to you, but when I was young my parents divorced, and I hardly see my father nowadays. Can't even remember the last time I did see him. Anyways, that is aside the point. As a kid I was led to believe he was a great guy, this sort of great father figure, someone you can look up to, but as a grew older I noticed things seemed quite off about him. Stories he's said, things he did. Eventually, I asked family members and generally the truth came out about him. The kind of person he really was. I won't go into specifics about it, but he was far from the person I was led to believe. This obviously changed my outlook about him, and I think under the circumstances you start to feel deceived.
Sorry to hear that you don't have a good relationship with your dad. It is definitely not a good feeling when you learn that people are not all you thought they were.

Now, while I know this is nothing close to what you may have gone through. I feel knowing the painful truth is better than being ignorant. I don't need to live in some fantasy world where everything seems Ok. I personally like to face it head on and make my decisions regarding the truth, instead of living a lie, especially when it comes to people close to me. Ignorance is bliss, but knowledge is power.
I think I agree, and yeah, knowledge is power for sure. I definitely subscribe to that notion.

Thing is, it's an ideal. And when it comes to real world situations, ideals go out the window.

If I had never found out what I did find out, I'd be exactly the same person but without the suffering and inner turmoil that was caused by not knowing. But then I suppose the flipside is that perhaps I'm a stronger person for knowing and having to go through that suffering and dealing with it. Maybe it made me stronger for the next time suffering seeks me out.

Once you know, you can never go back to that happier state of not knowing.


As for this uncle figure, I don't see why you should be friendly with him. He abused the system and gave a misdiagnosis which lead to the death of someone who could have helped you through life. Painkillers?! Are you fucking kidding me... He should be imprisoned or sued to death. Some people don't deserve sympathy.
Oh absolutely. But he's dead now. I didn't find out until after he himself had passed away. I certainly wouldn't have continued to be friendly with him if he was still alive and I found out.
 

Kobe

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I don't know what to say about what you've been through with your Mum's passing. I can't relate to losing a parent as, it hasn't happened to me. I can only hope that you find the peace that you are looking for some day.

However, I've had a major situation in my life in which the truth was hidden from me and it affected me in a hard way. Everything was, like in your situation, smooth sailing until I found out. When I think about it, I'm glad that I found out the truth. The truth made a lot of decisions I make about the person involved so much easier.

I guess, the truth is always better for all of us. Remember that scene in the movie, 'A few good men'? We should always demand the truth, even if we can't handle it. However, its also down to personal choice.

Casey, thanks for sharing this. Your experience makes me put my life into perspective.
 

ArtsyGirl

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I can't imagine how angry you must be with what happened.. I would say though that finding that out after he died would be harder than if you found out while he was alive, that way you might have been able to ask some questions - get some.. I want to say closure but I don't think thats right.

I think its very tricky to know what you would want to know. Each situation is different and thats the thing you don't know until you do and like you said by then its too late. Similar sort of situation to you in the way that my Uncle's cancer was not picked up til it was too late, the doctor wasn't a fraud, just one of those things the blood tests didn't pick up on what was happening. He had a bad hip that was giving him incredible pain and the doctor just kept giving him painkillers. I remember my Uncle getting really frustrated with fealing like the doctor wasn't taking him seriously. He had bone cancer that when found required a hip replacement, it also spread to his pancreas, liver and brain. Looking back now that he's gone it does hurt to know that IF the doctor had looked into it deeper, done some more tests there would have been more time, an opportunity to stop it before it spread throughout his body. But thats what we're really talking about here IF's. I can't really live by "if's" those can go on forever. We don't control what happens, and even when people try to protect us from certain things they can't always, we need to deal with what we get. Thats part of life.

Tipsy & another long post.
 

Flipmo

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I think I agree, and yeah, knowledge is power for sure. I definitely subscribe to that notion.

Thing is, it's an ideal. And when it comes to real world situations, ideals go out the window.

If I had never found out what I did find out, I'd be exactly the same person but without the suffering and inner turmoil that was caused by not knowing. But then I suppose the flipside is that perhaps I'm a stronger person for knowing and having to go through that suffering and dealing with it. Maybe it made me stronger for the next time suffering seeks me out.

Once you know, you can never go back to that happier state of not knowing.
It's true, you never will go back to that state of hapiness, but you eventually learn from this and take it with you. Whatever doesn't kill you, does make you stronger. Obviously, this is something that will stick with you for the rest of your life, but you learn to cope with it and I find that the truth makes you a stronger person in the end, makes you more ready to take on whatever heads your way.

Personally, I find comfort in knowing the truth despite how hard it may be to swallow it. I know there are times where I felt information was being kept from me on an important subject and I had great distress from it, but once I learned the truth... no matter how horrible I was feeling, I came out with this weight lifted off my shoulders.

That is just me though.
 

vg4030

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#7
WOW. I dont know if this is relevant but I think its an 'indian' thing, especially when families are involved to just ignore it or push it deep down and pretend it never happened. I bet this 'doctor' was treated like royalty in the community right till the end, as being a doctor automatically grants you some sort of privilege.

We have a similar secret in my family. My cousin's (who is practically my brother) father passed away when he was 6. Everyone told him it was a motorbike accident however the truth is MUCH worse and I think he is the only one who doesnt know. He's 30 now and I hate to think what he will feel like if and when he finds out.
 

tupac4li4e

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Hey Casey,

Wow bro, you've been through a bit.

My sincerest condolences for your mother, it would have been heartbreaking at that age, well any age really. I know I was torn up just from a divorce at 5.

What I have learned to understand about this world we wlive in is that huge evens such as these are lessons we are here to learn from. Don't take that the wrong way as in you deserved it, or some crap like that, but what you need to do is see how you can grow from such an experiance, grow to be a better person. Even if that is learning how to forgive someone, because we all make mistakes, none of us are perfect.

Your mum, Im sure would want you to be happy and to live your life to the fullest, and it may seem like a this indian guy was repsonsible or had a hand in your mums death, but if it was meant to be, then it was menat to be, no matter what way it happened, thats what I truly feel about fucked up situations such as the one you had to go through.

So if you can look back, and see how it made you into the man you are today, if you can see how it actually benefitted your life in anyway, thats what you have to focus on and move forward with. Soon enough you will see your mum again, no doubt about it, so when you see her, make sure you show her the strong man she created and the man she is im sure proud of.
 
#9
this is a sad story that i am sorry to read about casey

i totally agree with what you say about knowing the truth about past misfortunes and that knowing the truth enables us to place misfortunes in a proper moral context


personally i dislike the western approach to medicine, the whole western ideal about trusting your doctor got wasted when i read stories about the serial killer Harold Shipman. i would rather take my health into my own hands than trust the NHS and their practices, not as individual doctors but as a whole institution that the western governed NHS is
 

S O F I

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Now, my father obviously does not blame this person and for whatever reason, felt the need to shield me from the facts of what had happened, and encouraged friendships with this man and his family. I can't speculate on the reasons for that and I don't want to.
Do you have to speculate or is there a way to find out?

I'd be really curious..
 

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