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Casey · Oct 27, 2009

Save the planet - stop eating meat - Channel 4 News

I agree with this. They should be viewed the same way. It's wrong to drink drive because you are knowingly putting other people's lives in danger through your selfishness. Eating meat is knowingly killing animals AND the planet through selfishness also.

vg4030 · Oct 27, 2009

Lord Stern is wrong: giving up meat is no way to save the planet - Telegraph

At the heart of the environmental lobby lies an unease at progress and change, and a veneration of a calmer, slower lifestyle. It goes hand in hand with a disregard for the material goods which extend choices in the rich nations, and even for the economic growth which offers the poorer ones a ladder out of subsistence. Although 'saving the planet' is advanced as the reason why these lifestyle changes must be implemented, it sometimes seems as if the simpler life is an end in itself, and that global warming is a convenient excuse to force acceptance of it.

If we give up animal husbandry and eat the vegetarian diet Lord Stern advocates, it would be one devoid of milk, cheese and butter, and the world would have to get along without leather for its shoes or jackets, or wool for its clothes. This is not going to happen, any more than the other 'essential' changes.
What will happen instead will be new technologies that solve the problems without behavioural change. There will be emission-free transport, cleanly-produced energy, and minimal-impact production. Human ingenuity and resourcefulness are quite capable of achieving this, and can even be accelerated by suitable incentives.
It is highly likely that animals will be genetically engineered to emit less methane, and highly unlikely that human beings will give up a large part of their diet. The one is easy to do; the other is probably impossible, as well as undesirable. Some in the environmental lobby oppose this kind of technological change precisely because it will make behavioural change unnecessary. It will enable people to live as they want to live, rather than as others think they should live.
But technology will win, and the constricted lifestyles advocated by Lord Stern and others will lose. A look at human development suggests which course is the more likely.

I agree with this view that advances in other areas will offset the damage caused by eating meat.

Sebastian · Oct 27, 2009

Never gonna happen. Well, at least not in the next 100 years.

I bet there are other factors that add way more to global warming than cows and pigs.

roaches · Oct 27, 2009

Most of the meat I've eaten in my life comes from the same butcher who gets it from the same farm and slaughterhouse where the cows are grass-fed and the chickens don't have their beaks sawed off. I'd happily weigh the impact of my enjoyment of delicious animal flesh against the ecological damage one of your band's tours causes just through the fuel/other energy costs.

Casey · Oct 27, 2009

vg, that shit you posted is hilariously stupid.

the headline says "lord stern is wrong" and then the article just says that getting people to become vegetarian isn't going to happen and that we'll find other ways of saving the environment, like genetically engineering the animals to produce less methane and creating emission free transport! LMAO! Can you not see how ridiculous that sounds?

That's humankind being lazy, passing the buck, trying to justify the damage they are causing.

I will quote the late great Gandhi:

"Be the change that you wish to see in the world"

I was raised to take responsibility and to take initiative to solve the problems that I see. I can make a difference to environmental damage by living on a vegetarian or vegan diet. So can every single one of you on this board.

Sure, cutting down vehicular emissions would be great. But I'm not an vehicle engineer. I can't proactively take a role in making that happen and neither can you.

And trying to justify the damages caused by eating meat by saying "oh well we'll just genetically modify them to create less methane" is a deeply disturbing idea.

Technological advancement of course is always the way forward, you won't for a stronger advocate for technology than me. But geneticaly engineering animals solely for human consumption is not advancing. It's despicable.

It's no different to the idea of cloning humans just so that people who want to kill them can do so. Imagine that? A world where humans could be instantly cloned for the sake of the hunt, a sport made of it. It's not such a strange concept. But it's clearly wrong.

roaches said:

You're not stupid enough to believe that you are the rule and not the rare exception.

And as for your juvenile comment regarding my tours, you know nothing. you know nothing of our contributions to carbon offsetting, promoting of green lifestyles, spread of awareness. our tours do not appear out of nowhere. there are teams and event directors and promoters who's job it is to create events anyway, so if they didn't book us, they'd book someone else who is NOT spreading awareness. therefore your argument is invalid. enjoy your rotting flesh.

Sebastian · Oct 27, 2009

His comment was very valid.

[Casey on stage] "Hey guys, i hope you have a great time tonight but lets be serious for a moment. I know you are all aware of the problem of global warming. However i bet not even half of you know how much you can help the environment by not eating meat....

[While Casey continues to spread his word, the following is showing up on the huge flatscreen behind him]

"Casey and his band were using a plane on their tour about ** times last year, causing *** carbon dioxide"

[Then the crowd starts booing him and throws some bananas on stage]

vg4030 · Oct 27, 2009

Casey Rain said:

Actually I am a vehicle engineer with Toyota (but Im changing professions as we speak)

Anyway, you cant pick and choose how you want to fight your battles.
I understand that you feel you are doing your part by not eating meat. I did my part by buying a fuel efficient car, recycling and through business - working with companies on ethics in green design.

So you cant look down and me and say that Im doing less because you perceive that you are doing more.

I didnt agree with that whole article, just the part about technology playing a part in design. Not cloning (perhaps I should have been clearer)

I can easily look at you and ask why you flew to America? You could have made an impact by refusing to fly on a gas guzzzling plane and made a statement that way. Be the change as you put it.
Through your songs, you can preach the virtues of altruism and why we are the world. But you dont. You are vegetarian. Thats it.

roaches · Oct 27, 2009

So educate me? From my end, all I see you is moralizing and making some blanket statements.

There's nothing about all your great awareness promotion or describing the steps you take to minimize your own footprint on your band's wikipedia page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_(band)

your own personal wikipedia page:

S-Endz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

your website:

swamimusicdotcom > the only official swami website

your band's facebook page:

Swami | Facebook

your band's twitter:

Swami (swamimusic) on Twitter

your own twitter:

S-Endz aka CaseyRain (CaseyRain) on Twitter

I do see mentions of international flights and *loving* Wal-Mart, though.

So you're simply complacent about these issues because it's convenient for you. Get the fuck out of here.

Flipmo · Oct 27, 2009

I feel an epic thread coming.

and lmao @ Sebastian's post.

Casey · Oct 27, 2009

vg you missed my point. what i was saying was that by proposing arguments like helping to create emission free vehicles as a "better" way of justifying the damage we cause to the environment doesn't make sense because not everyone is a vehicle engineer like you are. everyone has the capability of adjusting their diet no matter their profession.

as for you, roachy boy, do you think you're big and clever by posting links? well, you didn't see the articles about us in PETA's magazine. you didn't see the fact that we supported PETA and other vegetarian causes launching in countries like India by supplying CD's as competition prizes, appearing on their website and at their events, in their magazines, ad campaigns etc. as a public face, my cousin was nominated in their "Sexiest Vegetarian" category alongside people like Andre3000 and Prince. That helps spread awareness to impressionable teenagers and music fans.

That kind of stuff doesn't get written about on Wikipedia AND IT FUCKING OBVIOUSLY WONT BE ON TWITTER OR FACEBOOK as they provide a stream of REAL-TIME information. I'm fucking sorry that we haven't done anything proactive in the LAST FUCKING MONTH, it's still more than most people are doing. If you actually went back through the Facebook and Twitter timelines you'd see more. In fact I know you saw that I posted this very same article from this thread on my Twitter page, earlier today. So don't give me that shit. You're just looking for an angle, but I don't appreciate that negative attitude, who the fuck are you again and what exactly are you doing that's so fucking amazing? If you're doing more than I am to support the causes, that's great. If not, I care very little about what you have to say. Cunt.

roaches · Oct 27, 2009

Why would I read PETA's magazine? How does appearing in it do anything but preach to the choir?

Links? I'm googling and I can't find any of this. It seems like it's a good marketing opportunity for you guys, though. Congrats on having a good relationship with an organization that hasn't turned offended anyone or turned anyone off with sensational stunts or insensitive campaigns or euthanized animals and thrown them into dumpsters. Oh, wait.

Why not? Thom Yorke's wikipedia page has an entire section about his activism. I guess there wasn't enough room in yours - the paragraph about a Johnny J slideshow on YouTube featuring photos of you is more important, I guess.

Actually, there's NOTHING at all on your band's Facebook page or on yours, which I just found: S-Endz (of Swami) | Facebook. There's NOTHING at all on your blog S-Endz.com /// The Official Blog of the Neofunk Movement // 'Emanate' (unless its search function is broken, but none of the post tags indicate anything either).

As far as your own personal Twitter, goes, I found a grand total of four tweets.

The one about this article:
Twitter / S-Endz aka CaseyRain: It should be. Lord Stern ...

One about how you have on qualms about speaking out: Twitter / S-Endz aka CaseyRain: @RaniDizzle it absolutely ...

One supporting a fellow veg: Twitter / S-Endz aka CaseyRain: @BohemianSunsets you know ...

And some bullshit about how you shouldn't eat meat if you aren't willing to strangle the animal with your own bare hands:
Twitter / S-Endz aka CaseyRain: I think if you aren't will ...

Oh! And this passive aggressive one about me: Twitter / S-Endz aka CaseyRain: How about instead of criti ...

I'm just a loser on the Internet with too much free time who's calling you out on your shit.

You're a guy who talks but doesn't walk, even though as a quasi-public figure you have a platform to do so.

yak pac fatal · Oct 27, 2009

i just ate a chicken sandwich

Duke · Oct 27, 2009

I just brutally murdered a cow and I'm rampaging through it's carcass.

ARon · Oct 27, 2009

So these cows and pigs release methane through shitting and farting right? So what the guy is really saying is that if there were less cows and pigs there wouldn't be as much methane.

Say like we all stop eating meat today, what's gonna happen to all of the cows and pigs we have now. Are we just going to let them all free and let them fend for themselves and let them die off til we think their numbers are low enough that it is "green." Not very PETA like.

The thing about this is, I'm doing more to help than vegetarians. I'm killing and eating these mother fuckers that are polluting our planet. Sure you can argue that the production of these animals wouldn't be needed if people stopped eating meat and that is part of the problem, but then part of the problem is growing veggie food as well.

Funny how this stuff gets overlooked by jehova's vegetarians, annoying ass people. Agriculture and deforestation. I remember in a previous dont eat meat thread I was fucking around and said something along the lines of farms having to clear lands to grow whatever it is they grow effects the local ecosystem and kills animals, it was kind of funny buttrue. But now what about the impact of the machines they use to clear areas for farms, deforestation. What about the machinery and shit it takes to sustain a farm. People aren't out there with a mule and a plow. Mexicans hand pick most fruits and what have you but they aren't out there picking the major amounts of vegetables we consume. Potatoes are the number one vegetable in the US.

This is a potato harvester

Look at it, that is not eco friendly at fucking all lol. A lot of em are pulled by tractors too.

Someone saying stop eating meat it will save the world is fucking stupid. If someone said we need to find a sustainable balance so we can eat freely and healthy then yes that is better.

Casey · Oct 27, 2009

roaches said:

I'm not saying YOU in particular. You're insinatung that I don't walk the walk, when I do, and having appeared in PETA's magazine is one of them. As for preaching to the choir, not everyone reading the magazine supports PETA.

You trying to claim that my vegetarianism and moral stances is purely for the sake of marketing is a shallow cheap shot. Please. Are you seriously that stupid? Alternatively, do you seriously think I'm that shallow? If you do, you might be the only one and you havent been paying enough attention.

As for finding this stuff for you, I'm not going to traipse the internet trying to find shit that I know is out there. I have much better things to do than to convince YOU, some loser on the internet (to use your words), of the positive things that I do. As for the tweet, I quite obviously posted it because I KNEW you'd see it and mention it. You're easy bait, and quite frankly, if you want to call me out as being "passive aggressive", i'll call you out as acting like a freakin' stalker.

Here's one article just to quench your thirst, stalker boy.

petaDishoom // Page 3.5 // Swami's CD for Free!

Undeniably Thom Yorke is a hell of a lot more of an activist than I am, but he's been in this industry for 20+ years and had a lot longer of a chance to promote his causes. When I've released as many records as he has, I'd warrant that the publuc record of my activism will match, if not surpass, his.

The Facebook pages are mostly used to promote the music, besides which, both have been active for less than a year. If you added my and my bandmates actual personal facebook pages, you would see a lot more from the conversations and links we post on there that go back 3+ years etc.

All of which were tweeted in the last few months, when I've been on Twitter for nearly 2 years. Good job Sherlock.

The most truthful thing you've ever posted.

Wrong again. I actively encourage people all the time, promoting facts and truths. I've so far wisened up nearly 100 people to going vegetarian or vegan including THREE people from this board who have all messaged me outside of here for advice on the subject.

Here's something else from 5 months or so ago. Not the first, won't be the last.

Promoting National Vegetarian Week! | 12seconds.tv (beta)

Nice try, cockroach.

Synful*Luv · Oct 27, 2009

[2 cents] I've talked about being vegetarian/vegan with Casey on g-talk as well as on twitter. The post you found with him talking to "a fellow vegetarian" is actually him talking to me. And just to provide background information, he wasn't at the time talking to a vegetarian. He was talking to someone (me) who was thinking about going vegan and had been trying to incorporate vegan meals into my diet for only a few short weeks. Offering encouragement for me to stay on the path I had chosen to try out and see if I wanted to take. Sure you can say that doesn't mean anything.. but it can be difficult to transition to another lifestyle especially without a support system. His comment did help. I've also seen casey offer encouragement to others on Twitter at random. He doesn't have to waste his time and do it. He can be just another artist on twitter doing shameless promotion but he doesn't, he tries push the cause of being a vegetarian when he sees an opportunity.

You can say any juvenile thing about why i'm supporting him in this thread. But knowing how he has behaved and how important being vegetarian is to him, I felt like i should say something.

I understand the comments about PETA. Personally, I despise PETA, however, they do have an effective method of getting across communication about being vegetarian. I don't agree with a lot of their methods, but that doesn't mean that they don't work. [/2 cents]

Chronic · Oct 27, 2009

ARon said:

That's such child's logic. Also "say we all stop eating meat today" is a moot point because it will not happen.

ARon said:

Have you read up on this properly? Have compared both situations and checked the pros and cons? Or are you just pointing out that the alternative won't be perfect either? What about the impact of the machines? What about deforestation? Please tell me. If by not eating meat I'm actually making things worse I'd like to know. Green solution means 'the least strain on the planet', not 'a solution that uses nothing in nature, not even oxygen!'. It's about improving the situation.

ARon said:

The problem is that we "eat freely". How do you see this working?

Ultimately this discussion annoys you and you're not trying to come to logical, reasonable conclusions you're just throwing stuff out there to dismiss it.

"jehova's vegetarians"

I find that comment to be pretty damn short-sighted. Would you not understand it if people told you what to do if you bought blood diamonds? When your actions negatively affect others, you lose the right to be left alone.

EDIT: I said pretty much the same things you were saying before I thought about things in a certain light. I get it but can't you try to see the merit behind it all?

You can write essays but doesn't this say it fucking all?

Why would you take the opposing side on this issue? (although the thread is on green house gases)

Bender · Oct 27, 2009

i just had beef chow mein.

Chronic · Oct 27, 2009

Can anyone search the board for all the "I just had...", "I just ate...", "I'm eating... right now" comments? We should be able to make a nice collage of originality. Got two in this thread already.

Sebastian · Oct 27, 2009

Yeshua said:

...and nobody gives a flying fuck!

NO! It wasnt funny either.

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