NAPOLEON on PAC, and Life as a Muslim (RECENT)
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Man some of you guys really need to admit that you guys are RIDING ON PACS NUTS TOO MUCH!
Im one of his biggest fans, and dont get me wrong, PAC was the GREATEST to EVER do it, as a person, revolutionary, artist, intellectual, and WILL be the greatest ever in my opinion. But saying FUCK napoleon for his views is completely ignorant. This is the same man who rode with Pac during his prime, same man who made that 7yr video "Never Forget" in commemoration of his fallen homie Tupac Amaru Shakur, this is also the same man who has found something in his life that he can put faith in.
He's not saying fuck tupac, hes saying that the entire hiphop industry (mostly owned by whites and jews) altogether is really in essence brainwashing the American youth and selling this culture of violence, drugs, and exposure of women for profit. Napoleon wasn't talking down on the real thugs(underdogs in society) and the real people in the streets who do what they have to do to survive as in any other nation, but he is talking down on how this industry makes the privileged youth in our world want to seek out this life. And that to me is exactly on the point. We've all seen kids with parents who will buy them anything they want, but instead, they seek out to sell drugs and be led in a life of crime. All Napoleon is saying that kids shouold not look up to these rappers as role models, they are merely entertainers and what this industry is doin is clouding the minds of our youth.
Even Tupac himself recognized this, that is why he devoted his life to spit shit as real as possible and try not to glorify the street life. Some of his fans understood his real message in his lyrics, and continued to use that as motivation to be a stronger and better person in his or her own life. But as all things come with consequences, others looked to him as a role model of the street and followed him in that way. But I guess that's but ultimately made Tupac real as everyone says, he's only human...and he understood the effects of his actions, to me, as a fan that never met him, his own words in Tupac Ressurection and his music put together give the greatest reflection of who the man really was.
Im one of his biggest fans, and dont get me wrong, PAC was the GREATEST to EVER do it, as a person, revolutionary, artist, intellectual, and WILL be the greatest ever in my opinion. But saying FUCK napoleon for his views is completely ignorant. This is the same man who rode with Pac during his prime, same man who made that 7yr video "Never Forget" in commemoration of his fallen homie Tupac Amaru Shakur, this is also the same man who has found something in his life that he can put faith in.
He's not saying fuck tupac, hes saying that the entire hiphop industry (mostly owned by whites and jews) altogether is really in essence brainwashing the American youth and selling this culture of violence, drugs, and exposure of women for profit. Napoleon wasn't talking down on the real thugs(underdogs in society) and the real people in the streets who do what they have to do to survive as in any other nation, but he is talking down on how this industry makes the privileged youth in our world want to seek out this life. And that to me is exactly on the point. We've all seen kids with parents who will buy them anything they want, but instead, they seek out to sell drugs and be led in a life of crime. All Napoleon is saying that kids shouold not look up to these rappers as role models, they are merely entertainers and what this industry is doin is clouding the minds of our youth.
Even Tupac himself recognized this, that is why he devoted his life to spit shit as real as possible and try not to glorify the street life. Some of his fans understood his real message in his lyrics, and continued to use that as motivation to be a stronger and better person in his or her own life. But as all things come with consequences, others looked to him as a role model of the street and followed him in that way. But I guess that's but ultimately made Tupac real as everyone says, he's only human...and he understood the effects of his actions, to me, as a fan that never met him, his own words in Tupac Ressurection and his music put together give the greatest reflection of who the man really was.
I'm sorry for Napoleon, he is brainwashed with this religion bullshit. He can't be consider to be an outlaw with this shit in his head, that's wrong mentality, (that's just my opinion,I don't want to attack anyone). I take outlaw/thug shit serious, I mean it's not just words, it's your deeds. That's why I think Napo is dead as an outlaw.
Got to say he sounded hot just a couple years ago. Pitty to miss that.
P.S. is there a way to download this video, my internet speed doesn't alow to watch it online?
Got to say he sounded hot just a couple years ago. Pitty to miss that.
P.S. is there a way to download this video, my internet speed doesn't alow to watch it online?
1. Napoleon was born muslim (his father was muslim i guess), so it's not a new faith he found.. And he has been a relatively devoted muslim for some time now, since i remember seeing him pray in a mosque and talking about his Muslim faith in the "Outlawz Worldwide" DVD.
2. Maybe he now found a new dimension for his faith, a deeper one than before.. But in my opinion, i don't think that one should choose between Religion and Music.. Now i'm not Muslim, so i cant talk about this specific case, since i might not know all the facts, but in my opinion, religion in general does not contradict with music/rapping.. I think u can be both religious and rapping at the same time. Just don't rap about killing people, drugs and other "inappropriate" stuff.
I dont want to attack anyone or any religion at all, but stuff like this is "my problem" with religion.. These boundaries and taboos and stuff.. I mean this view that Napoleon is adopting, it's everything that Pac attacked/disliked about religion, and how it tends to "control" people sometimes (or the mis-use of religion). Pac rapped about "Is God just another cop waiting to beat my ass if i dont go pop" or something like that.. Actually, the whole "Blasphemy" track has a whole different perspective towards religion than Napoleon's new one. But still Tupac had faith in God.. It just was kind of "in his own way" faith, and this is how i see it should be.. Religion is not a "constitution".. It just sets guidelines, and it's up to every person to analyze it and act accordingly. And so as i said before, i dont agree on Napoleon's new views. Moreover, i think he himself will find a middle zone between his old and new views, soon enough.
Peace.
2. Maybe he now found a new dimension for his faith, a deeper one than before.. But in my opinion, i don't think that one should choose between Religion and Music.. Now i'm not Muslim, so i cant talk about this specific case, since i might not know all the facts, but in my opinion, religion in general does not contradict with music/rapping.. I think u can be both religious and rapping at the same time. Just don't rap about killing people, drugs and other "inappropriate" stuff.
I dont want to attack anyone or any religion at all, but stuff like this is "my problem" with religion.. These boundaries and taboos and stuff.. I mean this view that Napoleon is adopting, it's everything that Pac attacked/disliked about religion, and how it tends to "control" people sometimes (or the mis-use of religion). Pac rapped about "Is God just another cop waiting to beat my ass if i dont go pop" or something like that.. Actually, the whole "Blasphemy" track has a whole different perspective towards religion than Napoleon's new one. But still Tupac had faith in God.. It just was kind of "in his own way" faith, and this is how i see it should be.. Religion is not a "constitution".. It just sets guidelines, and it's up to every person to analyze it and act accordingly. And so as i said before, i dont agree on Napoleon's new views. Moreover, i think he himself will find a middle zone between his old and new views, soon enough.
Peace.
How can any one say fuck Napoleon for bettering himself as a person? Just because alot of u are against organized religion doent mean everyone that follows it is an idiot. Who gives a fuck if he aint an "outlaw souljah" no more. Does it look like he wants to still be thuggin and theivin'? What part of what Napoleon said made ppl think he is brainwashed by Radical Islam? Napoleon is more positive now. I have way more respect for him today than i did as an outlaw gangsta. Instead of making our youth turn to crime and drugs, he's turning them to something more positive. Regardless if u agree with Islamic ideologies or not, he is better as a person now.
And stop riding pacs dick. "oh fuck this guy cuz he said this about pac" grow the fuck up. And nowhere was he dissing pac, and he obiously has matured, and realized that even pac wasnt the greatest role model. And neither is anyone else in the rap game. You like, u like what they have to say, fine leave it at that, stop mimmicking ppls lives, and live ur life.
Napoleons doing his thing, and he's much better off than he was before. If u dont agree with his views, whatever, but dont attack a man for improving his life, just cuz he aint living thug life just to entertain us no more.
Some of ya'll are straight up bitches, who aint seen shit in ur life. Truss me, the feeling u get when one of ur boyz stops sniffin yay's, or gets out after years, and says he wants to change his life. Shit u might be mad they wont be around as much anymore, but at the end of the day ur happy for em.
~peace
And stop riding pacs dick. "oh fuck this guy cuz he said this about pac" grow the fuck up. And nowhere was he dissing pac, and he obiously has matured, and realized that even pac wasnt the greatest role model. And neither is anyone else in the rap game. You like, u like what they have to say, fine leave it at that, stop mimmicking ppls lives, and live ur life.
Napoleons doing his thing, and he's much better off than he was before. If u dont agree with his views, whatever, but dont attack a man for improving his life, just cuz he aint living thug life just to entertain us no more.
Some of ya'll are straight up bitches, who aint seen shit in ur life. Truss me, the feeling u get when one of ur boyz stops sniffin yay's, or gets out after years, and says he wants to change his life. Shit u might be mad they wont be around as much anymore, but at the end of the day ur happy for em.
~peace
As i said in my previous post, i don't understand how having a strong devoted faith really contradicts with being a rapper?? Why can't he rap about less "bad" stuff?!!
And also, Whites and Jews may own the rap industry, but they're sure not writing the lyrics!!! And from what i know, Pac never gave in to what those who own the industry want, but rather stayed real and rapped about what he wanted.. And he wasn't promoting violence, drugs, and exposure of women.. But his raps contained some of those elements as parts of the REAL life that he lived or portrayed. However, his raps also had lots of other "more beneficial" stuff, specifically those songs/verses where Pac addressed the youngsters, telling to them not to live this life of violence and drugs, that he himself wasn't living or didn't want to live!!
And furthermore, even when Pac had violent lyrics, he made sure in his interviews that he wasn't really "doing" what he said in his songs.. Like when he raps about killing "Badboys", or Biggie, or whoever else, it's just taking his anger out over a record.. Isn't that better than actually killing people?? So actually, u could consider him a role model even in these cases, cause he promoted an "artistic" approach to solving stuff (which he himself couldn't totally abide by all the time, but that's a whole different issue).
And about the "industry clouding the minds of the youth", well i couldn't disagree more!!! I mean what they wont hear in rap, they will learn from PG or PG13 movies, and most video games of today.. But still, i don't buy this whole point of view.. I don't think that stuff like that really affect youth's minds, and when it does, it's the fault of the parents and society in general, and not the rappers. I know that there are countless cases of where raps affected young kids, but what i'm saying is 2 things:
a. The rap song was not solely responsible for those situations. Actually, in my opinion, it comes in last place, when it comes to responsibility. If everything was ok with that kid's life, then i'm sure that rap song would not have had the same impact on him.
b. I'm saying that those cases are really negligible in comparison with the cases where raps did not badly influence young kids.
Finally, as i said before, if Napoleon really wasn't happy with rap's "direction", than he shouldn't have run away from it. Instead of turning his back to it, he should have tried to change it. Or was he worried that he wont sell as much when rapping about different stuff?!!
And also, Whites and Jews may own the rap industry, but they're sure not writing the lyrics!!! And from what i know, Pac never gave in to what those who own the industry want, but rather stayed real and rapped about what he wanted.. And he wasn't promoting violence, drugs, and exposure of women.. But his raps contained some of those elements as parts of the REAL life that he lived or portrayed. However, his raps also had lots of other "more beneficial" stuff, specifically those songs/verses where Pac addressed the youngsters, telling to them not to live this life of violence and drugs, that he himself wasn't living or didn't want to live!!
And furthermore, even when Pac had violent lyrics, he made sure in his interviews that he wasn't really "doing" what he said in his songs.. Like when he raps about killing "Badboys", or Biggie, or whoever else, it's just taking his anger out over a record.. Isn't that better than actually killing people?? So actually, u could consider him a role model even in these cases, cause he promoted an "artistic" approach to solving stuff (which he himself couldn't totally abide by all the time, but that's a whole different issue).
And about the "industry clouding the minds of the youth", well i couldn't disagree more!!! I mean what they wont hear in rap, they will learn from PG or PG13 movies, and most video games of today.. But still, i don't buy this whole point of view.. I don't think that stuff like that really affect youth's minds, and when it does, it's the fault of the parents and society in general, and not the rappers. I know that there are countless cases of where raps affected young kids, but what i'm saying is 2 things:
a. The rap song was not solely responsible for those situations. Actually, in my opinion, it comes in last place, when it comes to responsibility. If everything was ok with that kid's life, then i'm sure that rap song would not have had the same impact on him.
b. I'm saying that those cases are really negligible in comparison with the cases where raps did not badly influence young kids.
Finally, as i said before, if Napoleon really wasn't happy with rap's "direction", than he shouldn't have run away from it. Instead of turning his back to it, he should have tried to change it. Or was he worried that he wont sell as much when rapping about different stuff?!!
ImmortalTech, I think you were referring to me about that bolded part. So you didn’t understand what I tried to say.
I think he is brainwashed because he has gone too far in religion, and I will tell it about anyone who went hard in religion whether it’s Islam, Christianity, Buddhism or whatever. That’s just my point of view on religion and I don’t want to persuade anyone. My view on religion was formed totally when I was like14-15, before that I believed in Christ.
It’s not because of Pac’s views that I don’t like new Napo mentality, It’s all mine.
About Outlaw part: I didn’t say I want him to be outlaw gangsta or something. I was talking about outlaw/thug mentality that Pac taught about, positive staff, a strong mind that overcomes all traps, reach for the stars, always standing straight etc. And I see religion as a step away from control of your life, I see religion like a way for weak minds. I can reflect more and continue my thought. But I don’t see any need, hope you understood, what I meant.
I think he is brainwashed because he has gone too far in religion, and I will tell it about anyone who went hard in religion whether it’s Islam, Christianity, Buddhism or whatever. That’s just my point of view on religion and I don’t want to persuade anyone. My view on religion was formed totally when I was like14-15, before that I believed in Christ.
It’s not because of Pac’s views that I don’t like new Napo mentality, It’s all mine.
About Outlaw part: I didn’t say I want him to be outlaw gangsta or something. I was talking about outlaw/thug mentality that Pac taught about, positive staff, a strong mind that overcomes all traps, reach for the stars, always standing straight etc. And I see religion as a step away from control of your life, I see religion like a way for weak minds. I can reflect more and continue my thought. But I don’t see any need, hope you understood, what I meant.
ashur sorry man but you clearly don't know what your talking about, you said that religion (islam in this case) is a step away from positive stuff, strong mind that overcomes all traps, reach for the stars and always standing straight. man you couldn't be more wrong islam teaches all those things you just mentioned, you seem to have this mentality that all religion is wrong and bad for some reason.
how you not gonna consider napoleon an outlaw cus hes a muslim when kadafi was a muslim to, or do you also not consider kadafi an outlaw.
as a fan im sad that napoleon wont release his album cus i was loving the music that he was putting out and i believed thats what rap needs, but as a muslim brother im happy for him and i pray to god to make him even stronger and to aid and help him in what ever he choses to do.
how you not gonna consider napoleon an outlaw cus hes a muslim when kadafi was a muslim to, or do you also not consider kadafi an outlaw.
as a fan im sad that napoleon wont release his album cus i was loving the music that he was putting out and i believed thats what rap needs, but as a muslim brother im happy for him and i pray to god to make him even stronger and to aid and help him in what ever he choses to do.
Ashur, I wasnt talking about u in particular, i've seen it too many times, that when a man turns to religion. Alot of ppl go oh fuck that pussy, i thought he was a street cat (those are just dudes on the street).. and so on. But in reality all his close friends are happy that he's being more positive in life.
Other than that, I dont think a man is brainwashed if he goes too far into religion. I dont think there is such a thing as too far. Extremist views are wrong because they are wrong, not because they are extreme. I mean if a man made his purpose in life to educate the uneducated, and was dead serious about it. He is also an extremist but for a good cause. A value he holds close and has faith and believes in it. Now same case for Napoleon, he has found something he loves, and believes in, so juss be happy for the man, and lets all move on with our lives.
And u believe religion takes away contol from a man, and it weakens him. Thats ur view and I cant argue with u for that. But Napoleon personally feels stronger, and more focused, so let em do his thing man.
and to NazihHawi... a) the reason he left music is because music is forbidden in Islam, theres several reasons for it and also many opinions on it, but thats a whole diff discussion
b) no White or jews dont write the lyrics for rappers, but are the ultimate judges of what will be big and what wont since they have the power of promotion and distribution. Napo could have released a cd with positive lyrics but it wouldnt get much attention like the other million rappers that do positive hip hop... every once in a while u have a concious track that makes it big, but thats very rare cases.
c) I agree Pac was not a bad man, he did many positive things, and anyone that really gets to understand pac knows that. And alot of other "gangsta" rappers may be the same. But the truth is, the general public doesnt understand this. They see rich gangsta rappers and wanna be like them (what they talk about on wax) this is why it hurts the youth. Again I agree this not always the rappers fault, it is societies fault for accepting and even glorifying such behavior.
And you know what man, we can all have our opinions on Napoleon, but Napoleons a grown man, he has a family to take care of and kids to raise. He's happier in the place he is today, and feels its the right thing, so lets just respect that and hope he can live his life more peacefully.
.. and Brett:
Fuck you, u dont like what he has to say, go eat a dick, nobody gives a fuck. You gota problem with him, he was in ur city. Why didnt u go call him a "knob" to his face and tell him his religion is "rubbish"... we coulda Seen how that "knob" woulda dealt with u. Ur juss wishin he was still talking about the shit that gets his people murdered or in jail right?
Other than that, I dont think a man is brainwashed if he goes too far into religion. I dont think there is such a thing as too far. Extremist views are wrong because they are wrong, not because they are extreme. I mean if a man made his purpose in life to educate the uneducated, and was dead serious about it. He is also an extremist but for a good cause. A value he holds close and has faith and believes in it. Now same case for Napoleon, he has found something he loves, and believes in, so juss be happy for the man, and lets all move on with our lives.
And u believe religion takes away contol from a man, and it weakens him. Thats ur view and I cant argue with u for that. But Napoleon personally feels stronger, and more focused, so let em do his thing man.
and to NazihHawi... a) the reason he left music is because music is forbidden in Islam, theres several reasons for it and also many opinions on it, but thats a whole diff discussion
b) no White or jews dont write the lyrics for rappers, but are the ultimate judges of what will be big and what wont since they have the power of promotion and distribution. Napo could have released a cd with positive lyrics but it wouldnt get much attention like the other million rappers that do positive hip hop... every once in a while u have a concious track that makes it big, but thats very rare cases.
c) I agree Pac was not a bad man, he did many positive things, and anyone that really gets to understand pac knows that. And alot of other "gangsta" rappers may be the same. But the truth is, the general public doesnt understand this. They see rich gangsta rappers and wanna be like them (what they talk about on wax) this is why it hurts the youth. Again I agree this not always the rappers fault, it is societies fault for accepting and even glorifying such behavior.
And you know what man, we can all have our opinions on Napoleon, but Napoleons a grown man, he has a family to take care of and kids to raise. He's happier in the place he is today, and feels its the right thing, so lets just respect that and hope he can live his life more peacefully.
.. and Brett:
Fuck you, u dont like what he has to say, go eat a dick, nobody gives a fuck. You gota problem with him, he was in ur city. Why didnt u go call him a "knob" to his face and tell him his religion is "rubbish"... we coulda Seen how that "knob" woulda dealt with u. Ur juss wishin he was still talking about the shit that gets his people murdered or in jail right?
hassan, you can't say that I don't know what I'm talking about, I know that religion teach positive things. My main argument is that it's my point of view on religion, and it always offends people. When man believes in God or Allah , I don't have problem with that. But when a man goes deep in religion system, I hate that. For me religion is controlling people more than anything else. People who are on top in religion system are worse than any others, they fake and like charlatans they cheat on people for centuries, again it's my personal point of view.
And about Kadafi, he was muslim but didn't get into religion, his believes was his.
"I do my shootin's on a knob, prayin to God for my squad
Stuck in a nightmare, hopin he might care
Though times is hard, up against all odds, I play my cards
like I'm jailin, shots hittin up my spot like midnight rains hailin
Got me bailin to stacks more green; Gods ain't tryin to be trapped
on no block slangin no rocks like bean pies
Brainstorm on the beginnin
Wonder how shit like the Qu'ran and the Bible was written
What is religion?
Gods words all cursed like crack
Shai-tan's way of gettin us back
Or just another one of my Black JesuS traps"
ImmortalTech, I what I exactly believe is that religion can make man stronger but it only goes for the weak mind that need some support, a mind that can't find himself, a man that can't look in the mirror and see who he is.
I reread My first post and I can see that it's hard to understand what I was talking about. Napo can have his outlaw status for life, I'm not the one to judge him on this. I was just trying to say that for me he is lost as an outlaw - in my definition of the word.
And about Kadafi, he was muslim but didn't get into religion, his believes was his.
"I do my shootin's on a knob, prayin to God for my squad
Stuck in a nightmare, hopin he might care
Though times is hard, up against all odds, I play my cards
like I'm jailin, shots hittin up my spot like midnight rains hailin
Got me bailin to stacks more green; Gods ain't tryin to be trapped
on no block slangin no rocks like bean pies
Brainstorm on the beginnin
Wonder how shit like the Qu'ran and the Bible was written
What is religion?
Gods words all cursed like crack
Shai-tan's way of gettin us back
Or just another one of my Black JesuS traps"
ImmortalTech, I what I exactly believe is that religion can make man stronger but it only goes for the weak mind that need some support, a mind that can't find himself, a man that can't look in the mirror and see who he is.
I reread My first post and I can see that it's hard to understand what I was talking about. Napo can have his outlaw status for life, I'm not the one to judge him on this. I was just trying to say that for me he is lost as an outlaw - in my definition of the word.
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