Pac was a hardheaded, opinionated, stubborn, cocky, loudmouth that probally made him a difficult artist to work with....and those characteristics about him is what got him killed...i believe if pac was humble he would still be here...but if he was humble would we still be as interested in him as we are now....what are your thoughts?
Pac was a difficult artist to work with
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If it's hard to work with someone who's driven and motivated and wants to get work done, then Pac was a hard person to work with.
A large majority of rappers are cocky loudmouths, but they're not dead. Why? Because Pac died for punking a Crip in the MGM Lobby, in defense of a friend. Pac died for a principle, not characteristics.
A large majority of rappers are cocky loudmouths, but they're not dead. Why? Because Pac died for punking a Crip in the MGM Lobby, in defense of a friend. Pac died for a principle, not characteristics.
i would imagine Pac would be like any other professional in the studio, get in, do your shit and move on to the next shit. He didn't like to stall or waste time in the studio. I suppose that would be hard for some people to deal with, people who just wanna get high and fuck around all day long, but i'm sure if you got your shit straight he wouldn't be hard to work with at all
not really. ...i say this because anderson was a ranking (gang) member and the gang mentality at that level isn't based on jealousy. these guys think they're the dons of their cities, and while pac had celeb status, they held the streets down and therefore had the real power. not saying this is true or i endorse it, but this is gang culture. you join a gang for power, and the crews orlando rolled with had a lot of pull in their neck of the woods.
pac died because of his ties to death row, and the reciprocal influence betweem death row and pac. pac was infatuated with power and gangsta lifestyle even before signing to death row, and when suge came through and saved him when no one else would that pretty much sealed it for pac as to demonstrating just who has the power and how they can use it. a multi-billion dollar label didn't put up his bail, but an ex-football player who started his label only a few short years ago could... pretty big message there.
while this is relevant, the real culprit here is suge's wallet. suge arrived at his position of power by stepping on a lot of toes. we all know what happened to vanilla ice, and there are a thousand other stories just like his - all of which involve suge as the ringleader. the difference is that while rob van winkle didn't have the balls to do something about getting shook down, a banger who has nothing to lose would. when orlando got punked out, he had no other choice but to exact revenge asap. think about it, even in your own life if some people walk up to you and beats the living crap out of you in public, are you just going to say ho hum and move on? na. even the most pussy of you guys would do something.
pac was a target because he was death row. sure they had other people on their roster, but pac was the mouthpiece and the star of the label. with pac dead, the label would crumble. the men who beat orlando down would go broke, lose their power, and likewise their blood affils that suge bankrolled would be weakened. truth is the plan would have worked pretty decently had a) suge not owned all rights to the chronic and pre-pac classic albums; and b) pac recorded a lifetime of songs. without these two safety nets, pac's death would have turned suge into another has-been with a roster of mediocre rappers.
pac died because of his ties to death row, and the reciprocal influence betweem death row and pac. pac was infatuated with power and gangsta lifestyle even before signing to death row, and when suge came through and saved him when no one else would that pretty much sealed it for pac as to demonstrating just who has the power and how they can use it. a multi-billion dollar label didn't put up his bail, but an ex-football player who started his label only a few short years ago could... pretty big message there.
while this is relevant, the real culprit here is suge's wallet. suge arrived at his position of power by stepping on a lot of toes. we all know what happened to vanilla ice, and there are a thousand other stories just like his - all of which involve suge as the ringleader. the difference is that while rob van winkle didn't have the balls to do something about getting shook down, a banger who has nothing to lose would. when orlando got punked out, he had no other choice but to exact revenge asap. think about it, even in your own life if some people walk up to you and beats the living crap out of you in public, are you just going to say ho hum and move on? na. even the most pussy of you guys would do something.
pac was a target because he was death row. sure they had other people on their roster, but pac was the mouthpiece and the star of the label. with pac dead, the label would crumble. the men who beat orlando down would go broke, lose their power, and likewise their blood affils that suge bankrolled would be weakened. truth is the plan would have worked pretty decently had a) suge not owned all rights to the chronic and pre-pac classic albums; and b) pac recorded a lifetime of songs. without these two safety nets, pac's death would have turned suge into another has-been with a roster of mediocre rappers.
True, but it also means it aint impossible Suge had something to do with it. The story in Rolling Stone, about Biggie's murder that mentioned pac's murder too (and Bloomberg's movie Biggie&Tupac), was quite convincing. I ain't saying Suge had something to do with it, but he certainly had reasons to. The only thing that makes me not believe this theory is that he got hit too. I can't imagine someone is ready to take such a risk. But I can only encourage to read that story, very good read.
a couple things lead me not to give much credit to the whole suge theory...
pac was set up to start makaveli records and euphanasia as subsidiaries of death row. whether or not pac was going to continue his relationship with death row is fairly up for speculation, but the groundwork was definitely set for these two companies to be under the death row tree. it's my take on everything that shock was right when he said that pac wasn't happy at dr as an artist, and was therefore going to try his role as a talent managing subsidiary ceo. pac would reap the best of both worlds... he's get to keep and maintain his own accounting and financing, as well as sign artists to him and not death row, all while having the financial and power backing of suge. suge would always earn money off of pac, but he'd in many ways be no different than how a distro/publisher are these days. 50's label under em's label, which are umbrella'ed under aftermath are a good illustration.
so yeah, this was a long winded way of saying suge had more to gain from an alive pac than a dead one.
- suge got hit too. as you mentioned, i don't know a single person who would put themselves in harm's way for a flimsy alibi. if you look at the pictures of the bmw at http://www.2pacshakur.net/2pac/showthread.php?t=1904 it becomes pretty clear that the shots fired at the car were VERY random and poorly placed. any single shot could have hit suge in the head killing him instantly.
- suge's history. look at how suge has conducted his business over time. first he economically strongarmed dre out of his ruthless contract, then did the same with vanilla ice to get completely undeserved points on "ice, ice baby," when dre left suge pretty much made him leave with nothing and no rights to a catalog worth millions, same with snoop, suge signed crooked-i in a life contract and when crooked started talking smack suge buried his album (the contract disallows him to use the crooked-i monicker on any other label, essentially giving suge his artistic career), and countless other incidents. you're not off base when you say that suge's a mean s.o.b., but if he thought pac was leaving, he'd have forced him to leave the same way as dre and snoop - with nothing. imagine that, all the songs pac recorded on death row in the hands of suge and suge alone... suge still pulls annual revenue of several tens of millions a year on chronic, doggystyle, doggfather, above the rim, murder was the case, and death row's gh alone. toss in 20 albums of pac material and he'd be crazy rich.
pac was set up to start makaveli records and euphanasia as subsidiaries of death row. whether or not pac was going to continue his relationship with death row is fairly up for speculation, but the groundwork was definitely set for these two companies to be under the death row tree. it's my take on everything that shock was right when he said that pac wasn't happy at dr as an artist, and was therefore going to try his role as a talent managing subsidiary ceo. pac would reap the best of both worlds... he's get to keep and maintain his own accounting and financing, as well as sign artists to him and not death row, all while having the financial and power backing of suge. suge would always earn money off of pac, but he'd in many ways be no different than how a distro/publisher are these days. 50's label under em's label, which are umbrella'ed under aftermath are a good illustration.
so yeah, this was a long winded way of saying suge had more to gain from an alive pac than a dead one.
how did this topic go from Pac being hard to work with in the studio, to why he was killed, to why suge didn't do it? lol. But anyone with any sense in their head would know that Suge would not be in a car with the guy he was gonna have killed in that car. It would be way too risky. Like Dante said, one stray bullet, and Suge would have been just as dead as Pac. It never made any sense to me why people believed this. Pac was killed for beating down a gangbanger, period. End of conversation.
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