The lost presidents

Casey

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#1
1781-1782 A.D.??? George Washington was really the 8th President of the United States! George Washington was not the first President of the United States. In fact, the first President of the United States was one John Hanson.The new country was actually formed on March 1, 1781 with the adoption of The Articles of Confederation. This document was actually proposed on June 11, 1776, but not agreed upon by Congress until November 15, 1777. Maryland refused to sign this document until Virginia and New York ceded their western lands (Maryland was afraid that these states would gain too much power in the new government from such large
amounts of land). Once the signing took place in 1781, a President was needed to run the country. John Hanson was chosen unanimously by Congress (which included George Washington). In fact, all the other potential candidates refused to run against him, as he was a major player in the revolution and an extremely influential member of Congress. As the first President, Hanson had quite the shoes to fill. No one had ever been President and the role was poorly defined. His actions in office would set precedent for all future Presidents. He took office just as the Revolutionary War ended. Almost immediately, the troops demanded to be paid. As would be expected after any long war, there were no funds to meet the salaries. As a result, the soldiers threatened to overthrow the new government and put Washington on the throne as a monarch. All the members of Congress ran for their lives, leaving Hanson as the only guy left running the government. He somehow managed to calm the troops down and hold the country together. If he had failed, the government would have fallen almost immediately and everyone would have been bowing to King Washington. In fact, Hanson sent 800 pounds of sterling silver by his brother Samuel Hanson to George Washington to provide the troops with shoes. Hanson, as President, ordered all foreign troops off American soil, as well as the removal of all foreign flags. This was quite the feat, considering the fact that so many European countries had a stake in the United States since the days following Columbus. Hanson established the Great Seal of the United States, which all Presidents have since been required to use on all official documents. President Hanson also established the first Treasury Department, the first Secretary of War, and the first Foreign Affairs Department. Lastly, he declared that the fourth Thursday of every November was to be Thanksgiving Day, which is still true today. The Articles of Confederation only allowed a President to serve a one year term during any three year period, so Hanson actually accomplished quite a bit in such little time. Six other presidents were elected after him - Elias Boudinot (1783), Thomas Mifflin (1784), Richard Henry Lee (1785), Nathan Gorman (1786), Arthur St. Clair (1787), and Cyrus Griffin (1788) - all prior to Washington taking office. So what happened? Why don't we ever hear about the first seven Presidents of the United States? It's quite simple - The Articles of Confederation didn't work well. The individual states had too much power and nothing could be agreed upon. A new doctrine needed to be written - something we know as the Constitution. And that leads us to the end of our story. George Washington was definitely not the first President of the United States. He was the first President of the United States under the Constitution we follow today. And the first seven Presidents are forgotten in history.
Fuck whatcha read in the history books.
 

S O F I

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#4
The presidents before George Washington didn't have executive powers. That's where the distinction is made.

This is in the history books.
 

Duke

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#6
Thanks to SOFI for demonstrating how to quickly and cleanly blow a case of FAIL wide open.

Cheers, sir!

Close thread, plz.
 

S O F I

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#7
Thank you, you're welcome.

Sometimes, you have to show these artistic folk who never attended school to see what history books say..to shut them the fuck up. Casey takes an L. No biggie.
 
#9
sir lord casey rain never, ever, takes the L. The only reason he hasn't responded yet is cuz he's a compassionate leader and is letting, no wait, allowing you to enjoy ur moment of what u perceive as a great victory, and then all of a sudden he'll smite you, and strike down upon thee with furious anger.
 

Shadows

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#11
sir lord casey rain never, ever, takes the L. The only reason he hasn't responded yet is cuz he's a compassionate leader and is letting, no wait, allowing you to enjoy ur moment of what u perceive as a great victory, and then all of a sudden he'll smite you, and strike down upon thee with furious anger.
lmfao, and if he does take a loss, hell froze over.
 

Casey

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#13
If it's in the history books, explain how come this isn't common knowledge, when it should be? (executive powers or not). Advanced history that only people actively studying history would ever read do not count.

My wife didn't know, she went to university. My cousin in the States didn't know and he has a masters degree. My in-laws didn't know.

Also, I guarantee, in the future if I take an American citizenship test, and they ask me who the first President was, they will not be looking for the answer of John Hanson, despite the fact that technically he WAS.

And uh, I didn't take an L because I didn't write it, I just posted it. Furthermore, if it is indeed common knowledge in the States, then that's fair enough because obviously people in each country learn the history of their own country within their education system (primarily), as well as larger scale issues. For example, in my high school, outside of English history (which is a far more in-depth subject than American history because it goes back to the Battle of Hastings in 1066 and a little bit before that), we also learned about the Russian Revolution and the two World Wars.

As for never attending school, I finished high school at 16 and had a record deal within 3 months, so no, I did not attend a university. However I am confident that I will be sitting on millions before anyone in my school year finishes paying off their student loans. Also, I have been invited to, and given 4 guest lectures at different universities, to students older than I. Therefore overall, I take abundant amounts of W's and no L's.

Thank you and goodnight.
 

Duke

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#14
It's very simple. John Hanson was a president of the Continental Congress. NOT of the United States of America.


President of the Continental Congress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Because John Hanson was the first president elected under the terms of the Articles of Confederation, his grandson promoted him as the "first President of the United States" and waged a successful campaign to have Hanson's statue placed in Statuary Hall in the U.S. Capitol, even though Hanson was not really one of Maryland's foremost leaders of the Revolutionary era
 

Casey

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#15
But there was no such thing as a President of the United States at that time.

If the entire monarchy system was torn apart in England for example, and a new system put in place, you couldn't say that Elizabeth was not the Queen of England before that.

Even if the new monarchy and new system functioned in a completely different way.

And in what you quoted, it says that Hanson's grandsons campaign was successful, so there you go.
 

Flipmo

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#16
If it's in the history books, explain how come this isn't common knowledge, when it should be? (executive powers or not). Advanced history that only people actively studying history would ever read do not count.

My wife didn't know, she went to university. My cousin in the States didn't know and he has a masters degree. My in-laws didn't know.

Also, I guarantee, in the future if I take an American citizenship test, and they ask me who the first President was, they will not be looking for the answer of John Hanson, despite the fact that technically he WAS.

And uh, I didn't take an L because I didn't write it, I just posted it. Furthermore, if it is indeed common knowledge in the States, then that's fair enough because obviously people in each country learn the history of their own country within their education system (primarily), as well as larger scale issues. For example, in my high school, outside of English history (which is a far more in-depth subject than American history because it goes back to the Battle of Hastings in 1066 and a little bit before that), we also learned about the Russian Revolution and the two World Wars.

As for never attending school, I finished high school at 16 and had a record deal within 3 months, so no, I did not attend a university. However I am confident that I will be sitting on millions before anyone in my school year finishes paying off their student loans. Also, I have been invited to, and given 4 guest lectures at different universities, to students older than I. Therefore overall, I take abundant amounts of W's and no L's.

Thank you and goodnight.
It isn't really common knowledge, but it's logical for anyone that knows how the USA became a nation.

Most in University still believe that societies in the Middle Ages thought that the world is flat, which they didn't, that's just a myth that was retold over and over again. Now people think it's common knowledge, but it's wrong in every way. It's just a story that was written by Washington Irving and it was read in most schools in all the states back then, now it's twisted and used to teach children to think outside the box, and always go with your gut feeling when you know you're right.
Either way, I wouldn't take history in the USA, a lot of their facts are biased and they cut out parts that make them look bad. lol

But back to the original topic, it was in my books, but then again I don't count. I'm in advanced history. :( lol
 

Duke

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#17
President of the Continental Congress was a job that only has its title resemble President of the USA. The job roles were wholly different

"The President of Congress was, by design, a position with little authority"


Tada.

Even in your own argument, John Hanson wouldn't be the first president of the USA because Hanson was neither the first nor the last president of Continental Congress.

He was, as we established, the first President of CC that was elected under a specific term. That's the only difference. He was still a figure of little authority and mostly a ceremonial figurehead.


You can call a bear a dog, but it will still be a bear.
 

Cooper

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#18
The role of President of the Continental Congress is more like the Speaker for the British house of commons than the US President.....an impartial moderator.

Also Hanson was the fourth?
 

Casey

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#19
you have to show these artistic folk who never attended school to see what history books say
Also, LOL at you talking about who did and who did not attend school when your own grammar in the sentence quoted is highly questionable.

If you removed "to see" from the sentence, the grammar would be perfect.
 

S O F I

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#20
nothing like a bruised Casey ego. :D

Everything Duke said +

If it's in the history books, it doesn't have to be common knowledge. Ponder that.
 

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