The most truthful advert you will EVER see.

[Jokerman]

I'll go with a true story to prove how becoming a vegetarian is not healthy.

If you do it wrong, which a lot of people do, you will get sick. One vegetarian fad is to only eat raw food. If you do that you won't get all the nutrients you need and you'll eventually get sick.

On the other hand, I know a guy who ate almost nothing except meat. Guess what, he eventually became sick. Is that proof a meat diet is unhealthy? No, it's only proof that if done wrong, it's unhealthy. Though there's other proof that if done right, it too is unhealthy.:lol:

Many vegetarians are not healthy, not because they don't eat meat, but because they continue to eat junk food. But the point is, your friend's experience doesn't say anything about a vegetarian diet. It only says something about one done wrongly.

 

[Jokerman]

I'll take my family doctor's opinion on the matter in front of any bonehead study or person here, and I don't mean that in a disrespectful way, nobody here is an MD and are just speaking on things they've read, or about themselves, which is only 1 case.

I'll say it again. Many doctors and dieticians recommend meat as part of a diet because they are simply clueless when it comes to diet. And if they do know better, they also know that most of their patients don't want to hear about change and taking responsibility for their own health. They just don't want to burden them with it, for they might go somewhere else.

But most doctors have had virtually no training in diet and nutrition. However, that has started to change in the last 10 years as more and more mainstream doctors have been losing patients to nutrition-oriented alternative doctors who have been having better cure rates than them. But, still, what they get in medical school is merely a crash course in nutrition whose content has been approved by special interest groups like the meat, diary, and sugar industries. They've also been trained to treat illnesses with drugs, not diet or lifestyle change. Are doctors healthy? The most unhealthiest group of people out there. And then the pharmaceutical industry has a tight reign around medicine, but that's too big a story to tell here. Dieticians' education is little better for the same reasons. I've read their textbooks. Their information is about 30 years old. They are nutritional Neanderthals thanks to these special interest groups.

Is a field that profits from you being sick going to put much focus on things that help prevent you from getting sick?

 

[TheCat]

Hi Casey.

I always try to stay away from meat dishes as much as i can, because i know i feel tired and down in moods when i eat meat. but just like Rakim, Fish is my favourite dish, i can not ever give up on fish. i can happily eat my veg and fish for ever.

i would like to hear your opinion on this subject:
Is it Fair to give Children say under 10 years old a vegeterian diet? i have read some mixed reviews on young children becoming vegetarians.

 

[Casey]

Hi Casey.

I always try to stay away from meat dishes as much as i can, because i know i feel tired and down in moods when i eat meat. but just like Rakim, Fish is my favourite dish, i can not ever give up on fish. i can happily eat my veg and fish for ever.

i would like to hear your opinion on this subject:
Is it Fair to give Children say under 10 years old a vegeterian diet? i have read some mixed reviews on young children becoming vegetarians.

It's absolutely fair and the right thing to do.

I for one am disgusted at parents who feed their children meat. I've even blasted members of my own family for doing so.

It simply isn't fair to make them eat meat when they have no choice in the matter.

If they make their own conscious decision to eat meat at a later stage in life, then that is their decision.

Feeding meat to a child, in my eyes, is as bad as literally forcing the child to murder an animal themselves. It sickens me, and my wife, deeply.

 

[_carmi]

I think that's the problem. A lot of people equate vegetarians with vegetables, the only thing they have in common is that they both start with 'vegeta'.
You're supposed to eat lots of vegetables regardless. Even if you eat meat vegetables should probably be the largest portion on your plate and meat the smallest (and from what I've seen with most people it's the other way around). There's generally very little protein in vegetables so it's not a replacement for meat.

Basically she replaced her main intake of proteins with products that contain very little proteins. Not surprising that she ends up with a protein-deficiency.

PS: I edited your post. Didn't touch a thing that you personally said, just took out a large chunk of my post which you quoted so people don't have to scroll past it. Hope thou does not mindeth.

So.... how are you supposed to replace the eat in a vegetarian diet then?

Feeding meat to a child, in my eyes, is as bad as literally forcing the child to murder an animal themselves. It sickens me, and my wife, deeply.

You're pretty intense. How is feeding a child with meat wrong? As parents, we have to teach and raise our kids with OUR values. Now feeding meat to ourselves and kids is not about the way the animals are killed. It's about basic needs that need to be fulfilled.

I could understand Chronic's POV because yes the way the animals are killed and treated is horrible. Now to be totally against animal killing to not eat meat at all, I can't agree.

Also if we stop eating meat, eventually there will be an overpopulation of animals. It is part of the system that bigger animals eating smaller and us humans at the top of that food chain. That's how it should be.

 

[Preach]

If you want to live your life purely for yourself, that's fine, but respect those that consider other things to be more important than themselves. And it's not about convenience or feeling good about it. I would be a far happier person if I didn't care about it but if I had a magic genie I still wouldn't wish for the feeling to go away. Like Preach said, I have been "blessed" with a motivation but I don't think he sees that part of that motivation came from spending a lot of time thinking and being unselfish in the first place. He mentioned that once it became an inconvenience a part of my brain would tell me to stop doing what I do but you're capable of sending signals to your brain as well and ignoring your instincts is the very thing that seperates us from the other animals.

My problem is that when I watched that animal slaughter video that got posted up about a year ago I almost wanted to cry, so it really does affect me. I also agree with everything you said, and I have spent a lot of time thinking about things like this. You should know this Nothing has happened yet though. Maybe I just haven't thought about it enough yet.

 

[Jokerman]

It is part of the system that bigger animals eating smaller and us humans at the top of that food chain. That's how it should be.

Bigger animals eating smaller. I don't know about you, but I'm smaller than a cow. I just hope you're not right and I don't get eaten by a cow, an elephant, a whale, or maybe just an obese person. Because that's how it should be.

 

[vg4030]

^^ I think it's smarter animals eat dumber animals??

Which if true, I would eat half the members on this board

 

[Rukas]

I like to think we have evolved past animals, so any excuse of "animals do it, we should too" is silly to me. Animals also kill one another and often eat their own species, does that mean we should accept those practices? Should we go back to living in the jungle because animals do it?

Furthermore, there are many vegetarian animals that dont eat meat, so that makes that point even more mute.

I have been a vegetarian for over a year now. To be honest I really havent made a conscious decision to change my diet it kind of happened automatically. If Im not eating meat I fill that void with more vegetables simply because I am hungry, or tofu, bean curd, or veggie meat.

In regards to my health I can honestly say I have never felt better or stronger. I have more energy than ever, I require less sleep to function, Im sick less often, Im happier, and I see now that meat used to kind of slow me down, make me sluggish, it is hard to explain. Also a positive effect I have noticed is that everything else tastes better now. When I ate meat all vegetables tasted similar or almost the same, it was meat, and then everything else, but now I can taste a real difference in everything else (sweets too) and enjoy them more.

Most importantly and something every man would appreciate, Im fucking like I am 17 again. I mean I can go for a couple hours, cum, have a drink of water and Im ready to go again.

If you want to eat meat, cool go for it. In my opinion I feel no need to eat meat or support the mass production of life created simply to kill it for food, if being a vegetarian is a) a suitable way to sustain my own life and b) actually better for me.

 

[Jokerman]

^Very nicely put. Now you gotta get more into fruits. Berries.

 

[Shadows]

"Skinny niggaz throw the dick well."

Great post, Ruk-Ruk-RuK-RUK!

 

[Rukas]

^Very nicely put. Now you gotta get more into fruits. Berries.

I dont really eat any fruits, I just dont like the act of eating them, they make me gag lol. So Im trying to get into lots of juices and stuff. My girl bought me a cool juice recipe book and a juice blender and Im all about that nowadays. But I guess that is something people should do regardless of if they eat meat or not.

 

[tHuG $TyLe]

I can't wait for next months Meat v Veggie debate :thumb:

I was a vegetarian for about 13 years I think. That is all.

 

[Shadows]

I can't wait for next months Meat v Veggie debate :thumb:

I was a vegetarian for about 13 years I think. That is all.

Don't wait on nothing b/c next week it will be religion again.

:lol:

So, for you Veggie lovers, I hear that people don't consider Veggie diets b/c they are too time consuming or expensive, what would you say to them then?

 

[Jokerman]

So, for you Veggie lovers, I hear that people don't consider Veggie diets b/c they are too time consuming or expensive, what would you say to them then?

I'd say, "her two-fold girdle clasps the infinite boon."

 

[Flipmo]

So whats my excuse, I eat meat (not daily, at most 2 times a week) and I've been sick once in the last 3 years, and thats due to my stupid tonsils being fudge packers.

As Rukas, my libido is a loaded tommygun

I've never felt more healthier in my life either, and that is only since I've started to eat everything within moderation.

I don't think it's a Vege VS Meat thing... I see it more as not going psycho on 1 food group and trying to balance your diet.

 

[Casey]

I like to think we have evolved past animals, so any excuse of "animals do it, we should too" is silly to me. Animals also kill one another and often eat their own species, does that mean we should accept those practices? Should we go back to living in the jungle because animals do it?

Furthermore, there are many vegetarian animals that dont eat meat, so that makes that point even more mute.

I have been a vegetarian for over a year now. To be honest I really havent made a conscious decision to change my diet it kind of happened automatically. If Im not eating meat I fill that void with more vegetables simply because I am hungry, or tofu, bean curd, or veggie meat.

In regards to my health I can honestly say I have never felt better or stronger. I have more energy than ever, I require less sleep to function, Im sick less often, Im happier, and I see now that meat used to kind of slow me down, make me sluggish, it is hard to explain. Also a positive effect I have noticed is that everything else tastes better now. When I ate meat all vegetables tasted similar or almost the same, it was meat, and then everything else, but now I can taste a real difference in everything else (sweets too) and enjoy them more.

Most importantly and something every man would appreciate, Im fucking like I am 17 again. I mean I can go for a couple hours, cum, have a drink of water and Im ready to go again.

If you want to eat meat, cool go for it. In my opinion I feel no need to eat meat or support the mass production of life created simply to kill it for food, if being a vegetarian is a) a suitable way to sustain my own life and b) actually better for me.

I'm in the same position, both morally and in terms of how becoming a vegetarian has affected me personally.

Absolutely everything you said, about things tasting better, higher libido, happier, and less sluggish etc etc applies to me too.

People act like I have some kind of agenda. I'm just trying to make people see that they too can have the benefits that you and I (and many other smart individuals) have discovered.

 

[Duke]

People act like I have some kind of agenda. I'm just trying to make people see that they too can have the benefits that you and I (and many other smart individuals) have discovered.

Now you just sound like a Jehova's witness

 

[Rukas]

So whats my excuse, I eat meat (not daily, at most 2 times a week) and I've been sick once in the last 3 years, and thats due to my stupid tonsils being fudge packers.

As Rukas, my libido is a loaded tommygun

I've never felt more healthier in my life either, and that is only since I've started to eat everything within moderation.

I don't think it's a Vege VS Meat thing... I see it more as not going psycho on 1 food group and trying to balance your diet.

Whatever works for you man, as long as you are happy and healthy! Im not here to argue, Im just saying what has worked for me and really changed my life.