Tupac’s Estate Wins Lawsuit

Jon

Capo Di Capi Re
#24
Honest I wish they would shelve the rest of his material. They're trying to profit by making him relevant to a culture that wouldn't exist if his message had survived. By doing so they inevitably weaken his legacy.
 

Rukas

Capo Dei Capi
Staff member
#28
Honest I wish they would shelve the rest of his material. They're trying to profit by making him relevant to a culture that wouldn't exist if his message had survived. By doing so they inevitably weaken his legacy.
Yeah I agree.

I would rather have no new music than another Loyal To The Game.

Although I think from memory Pac’s Life was alright; but I just haven’t had the urge to listen to it since it came out.

What I would like to see them do is develop other projects around the music. Films. TV shows. Have you seen Irv Gotti’s show where he takes classic songs and makes a TV episode out of the stories? That’s such a cool idea.
 

masta247

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Staff member
#30
I liked Dumpin’ off of LTTG.
That one was on Pac's Life, and I liked it too. Pac's life also had Soon as I get home in its OG form, which I really appreciate them for. Sadly, the rest of the album was beyond garbage. Most of the songs were significantly better in their original forms, even though they were halfway finished. Slapping shitty rappers on top of them and adding weak, modern sounding beats just completely killed the soul out of those songs. I listened to the album once, extracted Soon as I get home and Dumpin (which had that amazing Fatal verse) and those two songs are the only ones I even listened to ever since I first heard the album.

I wouldn't handle another LTTG, there was pretty much nothing good about it. "Uppercut" was good, but got bored of it after a couple of times. The last 2pac album that I truly enjoyed a lot was Better Dayz.
With Pac's life, at least I got one great quality OG song that I loved, and a decent remix of Dumpin, which is better than nothing. I hope they learned their lessons and they won't fuck up the next albums as they did with LTTG or Pac's Life. Literally, everyone hated them for what they did to that music, and I think they got it that people who buy those albums are the same folks who liked 2pac's albums from the 90s, and those guys don't want shitty mixes, they want more original 2pac.

I really wish they just took the OGs, finished them properly, enhanced the production in tune with the originals, maybe added verses from the rappers 2pac actually collaborated with in case there are verses missing, and released them that way. That sounds perfect, and I think even from the marketing perspective, that would be something unique - a 90s vibes hip-hop album released today would be cool as hell even for the non-2pac fans. Literally half of the hip-hop community is complaining that the music coming out today is not like it used to be. This is the best way to deliver it, literally coming from the days when music was "like it used to". There's a reason they don't take the Beatles or Jimi Hendrix classics and re-release them with different melodies and Justin Bieber or Drake on them to make them more "appealing", so what logic led anyone to think that it's ok to do that with 2pac?

I wish there was a way to contact them directly, spam them with e-mails, sign petitions, or do whatever to ensure they don't do anything stupid again.
 
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SiGh

Who's there?
Staff member
#32
That one was on Pac's Life, and I liked it too. Pac's life also had Soon as I get home in its OG form, which I really appreciate them for. Sadly, the rest of the album was beyond garbage. Most of the songs were significantly better in their original forms, even though they were halfway finished. Slapping shitty rappers on top of them and adding weak, modern sounding beats just completely killed the soul out of those songs. I listened to the album once, extracted Soon as I get home and Dumpin (which had that amazing Fatal verse) and those two songs are the only ones I even listened to ever since I first heard the album.

I wouldn't handle another LTTG, there was pretty much nothing good about it. "Uppercut" was good, but got bored of it after a couple of times. The last 2pac album that I truly enjoyed a lot was Better Dayz.
With Pac's life, at least I got one great quality OG song that I loved, and a decent remix of Dumpin, which is better than nothing. I hope they learned their lessons and they won't fuck up the next albums as they did with LTTG or Pac's Life. Literally, everyone hated them for what they did to that music, and I think they got it that people who buy those albums are the same folks who liked 2pac's albums from the 90s, and those guys don't want shitty mixes, they want more original 2pac.

I really wish they just took the OGs, finished them properly, enhanced the production in tune with the originals, maybe added verses from the rappers 2pac actually collaborated with in case there are verses missing, and released them that way. That sounds perfect, and I think even from the marketing perspective, that would be something unique - a 90s vibes hip-hop album released today would be cool as hell even for the non-2pac fans. Literally half of the hip-hop community is complaining that the music coming out today is not like it used to be. This is the best way to deliver it, literally coming from the days when music was "like it used to". There's a reason they don't take the Beatles or Jimi Hendrix classics and re-release them with different melodies and Justin Bieber or Drake on them to make them more "appealing", so what logic led anyone to think that it's ok to do that with 2pac?

I wish there was a way to contact them directly, spam them with e-mails, sign petitions, or do whatever to ensure they don't do anything stupid again.
We need to send this post to Tupac HQ.
Realest shit.
 

Casey

Well-Known Member
Staff member
#34
I will never, ever forget hanging with Johnny J in his studio and the topic of Loyal To The Game coming up. He was absolutely disgusted by it. He literally said "By doing that they are raping his vocals".

The label sent him a plaque for the sales of that record because some of the tracks (maybe just the one, looking at the credits) were originally his so he had credits on them. He refused to hang it on the wall with the others.
 

masta247

Well-Known Member
Staff member
#37
It's still beyond me how they found this:


Then after spending money on 50 cent , G-unit, Eminem production, time and work of removing all soul from the song, including completely discarding the beats, amazing features, whole verses, intros and outros, butchering 2pac verses and slapping together sped up and slowed down bits and pieces to get this:


Then listened to both songs and decided the second song makes more sense, to the point of making it the title track for an album of a dozen more songs butchered just like this or worse. Also preventing fans from ever hearing the original songs the way they were recorded and intended to be, often packed with soul and more content that they remove for the final "shitty remix" albums instead.
 
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Rukas

Capo Dei Capi
Staff member
#39
Loyal To The Game (the song) isn’t actually even that bad compared to some of the other atrocities.

Actually can we discuss that for a second. Pac’s verse is obviously faster but it doesn’t seem sped up (the pitch isn’t fucked like some of the others). Either a really good job, or an alternate take? If it’s a really good job for the love of God why couldn’t they have at least done that on the other tracks. It’s like nails on a chalk board every time Ghetto Gospel comes on.
 
#40
That one was on Pac's Life, and I liked it too. Pac's life also had Soon as I get home in its OG form, which I really appreciate them for. Sadly, the rest of the album was beyond garbage. Most of the songs were significantly better in their original forms, even though they were halfway finished. Slapping shitty rappers on top of them and adding weak, modern sounding beats just completely killed the soul out of those songs. I listened to the album once, extracted Soon as I get home and Dumpin (which had that amazing Fatal verse) and those two songs are the only ones I even listened to ever since I first heard the album.

I wouldn't handle another LTTG, there was pretty much nothing good about it. "Uppercut" was good, but got bored of it after a couple of times. The last 2pac album that I truly enjoyed a lot was Better Dayz.
With Pac's life, at least I got one great quality OG song that I loved, and a decent remix of Dumpin, which is better than nothing. I hope they learned their lessons and they won't fuck up the next albums as they did with LTTG or Pac's Life. Literally, everyone hated them for what they did to that music, and I think they got it that people who buy those albums are the same folks who liked 2pac's albums from the 90s, and those guys don't want shitty mixes, they want more original 2pac.

I really wish they just took the OGs, finished them properly, enhanced the production in tune with the originals, maybe added verses from the rappers 2pac actually collaborated with in case there are verses missing, and released them that way. That sounds perfect, and I think even from the marketing perspective, that would be something unique - a 90s vibes hip-hop album released today would be cool as hell even for the non-2pac fans. Literally half of the hip-hop community is complaining that the music coming out today is not like it used to be. This is the best way to deliver it, literally coming from the days when music was "like it used to". There's a reason they don't take the Beatles or Jimi Hendrix classics and re-release them with different melodies and Justin Bieber or Drake on them to make them more "appealing", so what logic led anyone to think that it's ok to do that with 2pac?

I wish there was a way to contact them directly, spam them with e-mails, sign petitions, or do whatever to ensure they don't do anything stupid again.

Yep this - completely agree
 

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