Tupac to come back 07/07/2007

[ImmortalTech]

Why do ppl think 2pac would be some saviour of hip hop if he were alive? People pretend as if the whole rap game would be different if dude was still around.

Dude was a great artist and influenced many, but thats about it... He aint coming back, infact It'd be wack if he did come back. Cuz that would mean he allowed all those bullshit records to be released under his name.

In that case I would have to say 2pac was the biggest flop in hip hop history. But thats just my opinion.

.. Hip hop aint dead.. and wont die anytime soon. Pacs been dead and wont be resurected anytime soon... face it

~peace

 

[KrZyJr16]

Hip hop is dead.
I dont hear rap hit the radio anymore.
I dont hear people speaking out like pac did.
Everything now is about party shit. Listen to the radio how the fuck is hip hop not dead? Listen to the beats they all have the loudest bass and someone is just yelling or mumbling out words.
What are you going to say next? That 50cent or Lil Jon made you change your life and helped you through rough times?
It's dead.

 

[ManiacDego]

Hip hop is dead.
I dont hear rap hit the radio anymore.
I dont hear people speaking out like pac did.
Everything now is about party shit. Listen to the radio how the fuck is hip hop not dead? Listen to the beats they all have the loudest bass and someone is just yelling or mumbling out words.
What are you going to say next? That 50cent or Lil Jon made you change your life and helped you through rough times?
It's dead.

word man, thats my current view of hiphop, pac was a rapper who spoke it out through a personal level, others may got the same message, but aint got emotions behind, only cool wordplays n shit, where i can say, ok its ur opinion, but if a man screams and u definitly can feel the man is on hate the man is on pure luv, u pay more attention, pac brought the hiphop to a whole nother level, simply rhymes inside poetry and the strongest meaning ever

if any todays rapper would have the chance to stand in the same studio when pac recorded LETS FIGHT, or ballad of a dead soulja, most rapper would flee out of the studio, coze its a pressure which is more than wordplays and cool rhymes, it touch the heart

 

[ImmortalTech]

Although I aint trying to get into that "is hip hop dead arguement" Some ya'll dudes are just plain stupid. 50 Cent and Lil Jon do not define hip hop neither does anything played on the radio. Hip Hop didnt start with pac, nor did it start on the radio. Hip Hop was a buncha dudes bangin on tables and spittin lil flows, hip hop was dudes break dancing, and dudes writing graff, Hip Hop was dudes with a set of turntables doing some ill shit, and whole bunch of other shit. And as long as that shits still around hip hop wont die.

I used to say fuck 50 n all these dudes, but who are we to say who is hip hop and who aint. Btw, some of ya'll will take my earlier comment and twist it to make it look i condradicted myself. But what I'm saying is Hip hop aint so narrow that the shit u see on tv and radio is all that it is. hip Hops a culture and dudesare still living it.

Hip Hop as music is as fresh today as its ever been. Theres still ppl making creative music, theirs still emcees pouring their heart out into an album. Theres still Djs and producer making unbelievable beats.

Hip Hop is about partying n shit now? Hip Hop has always had that element to it as well as the struggle, and thats there as well. Yes the party element has been blown outta proportion cuz it sells. But theres enough cats writing about shit they go through in everyday life.

Ya'll can come out here and say hip hop is dead, cuz to u it may be. It might just be that u always thought all hip hop was, was just some shit u hear on the radio or on tv. But dont come out and state Hip hop is dead as a fact cuz u dont know any better.

Pac was possibly the best poet hip hop has seen cuz he had the ability to put his emotion into a track like no other, with the possible exception of brother ali. But thats all he was a poetic emcee. He was also probably one of the most influencial artist to ever live, but there was rappers that influenced him too... And I dont see why so much hate towards 50, he's basically trying to fit Pac's shoes, which he lacks the talent to do, but its pretty obvious he's just trying to be the next pac.

.. and like i said, as far as hip hop is concerned, it aint dead and wont die anytime soon.

~peace

 

[-744-]

Pac was possibly the best poet hip hop has seen cuz he had the ability to put his emotion into a track like no other, with the possible exception of brother ali. But thats all he was a poetic emcee. He was also probably one of the most influencial artist to ever live, but there was rappers that influenced him too... And I dont see why so much hate towards 50, he's basically trying to fit Pac's shoes, which he lacks the talent to do, but its pretty obvious he's just trying to be the next pac.

Know what you're sayin. Hip-Hop is not Tupac and Tupac is not Hip-Hop. He just shined through it. The reason that Tupac was and prob will be the best is that he was always writin shit down. Shit that he could rap about. So when he was goin through it to write the lyrics he could prob feel the emotions he felt when writin it. Do rappers do that nowadays? Probably not.

 

[ImmortalTech]

^^thank you for your speculations... but you obviously dont know shit. Theres alotta artist that write rhymes down as it comes to them, so they can put it down exactly how they felt when it originally crossed there mind. So that PROBABLY isnt what made Pac unique or the best

 

[Kobe]

Hip hop is dead.
I dont hear rap hit the radio anymore.
I dont hear people speaking out like pac did.
Everything now is about party shit. Listen to the radio how the fuck is hip hop not dead? Listen to the beats they all have the loudest bass and someone is just yelling or mumbling out words.
What are you going to say next? That 50cent or Lil Jon made you change your life and helped you through rough times?
It's dead.

I actually saw 50 on tv saying he dont give a fuck about anyone's kid but his own so he shouldnt be looked at as like a rapper on the same level as 2pac. I dont think anyone ever would even if he didnt make that comment. What you've said is the truth that a lot of people want to ignore, fail to notice or even accept.

Here are some quotes for people who dont understand what 2pac's music is all about.

"Throughout my life, I just wanted to be like and angel for God.....do something where I could be of some help and I can do that. I mean, I'm an artist so its not like I have to tell the truth. All I have to do is tell a story and reach you and..... you know, get some kind of feeling from you"

"To me, its like when I sing I LIVE THE THUG LIFE BABY IM HOPELESS. One person might hear that and just like the way it sounds. You know what I'm saying? But I'm doing it for the kid that lives a Thug Life and feels like its hopeless. So when I say 'hopeless' and when I say it like that, its like I reach him.....You understand? And even when I reach him, it makes it look glorious to the guy that doesnt live the Thug Life. I mean, I can't help it, its a fad, he'll drop the Thug Life soon enough. But for the person I tried to reach, he'll pick it up, and I'll be able to talk to him"

Some Tupac fans will say hip hop is dead. Thats maybe coz no rapper out there really makes you feel a connection between you and the artist. Any rappers anyone can throw in to prove me wrong? What we have now is a competition about cars, money, hoes and rims (another cliche when we talk about hiphop but its all we can talk about when we talk hiphop). But what about the moral and social issues 2pac talked about? No one wants to listen to that anymore?

Sure there is the two turntables and a mic that started hiphop but it has really evolved from that stage to how many records you sell, manufactured beef, disgruntled video vixens and anything else about hip hop.

 

[-744-]

^^thank you for your speculations... but you obviously dont know shit. Theres alotta artist that write rhymes down as it comes to them, so they can put it down exactly how they felt when it originally crossed there mind. So that PROBABLY isnt what made Pac unique or the best

Ok fair enough...I don't know shit. I can admit I was wrong but did you have to put it that way? You really offended me...I'm gonna cry now.

"Probably"...would you say Tupac paid more attention to more of the things goin on in the world than others then?

 

[-744-]

Some Tupac fans will say hip hop is dead. Thats maybe coz no rapper out there really makes you feel a connection between you and the artist. Any rappers anyone can throw in to prove me wrong? What we have now is a competition about cars, money, hoes and rims (another cliche when we talk about hiphop but its all we can talk about when we talk hiphop). But what about the moral and social issues 2pac talked about? No one wants to listen to that anymore?

That's what got me into Tupac when Ghetto Gospel came out. It's shit but the message was still there and it was good when I hadn't heard anything else.

"Connection between you an the artist". I never thought of it that way. That's what it is. Where Tupac rapped about known social issues, todays rappers rap about what you mentioned above. How many and what type of ppl can relate to this the way these rappers talk about it? Well put Kobe.

 

[KrZyJr16]

if any todays rapper would have the chance to stand in the same studio when pac recorded LETS FIGHT, or ballad of a dead soulja, most rapper would flee out of the studio, coze its a pressure which is more than wordplays and cool rhymes, it touch the heart

Theres been interviews where rappers that were, or did record with 2pac were shocked how he got down in the studio. Money B said it himself also, that pac wrote it down in a few mins and right away he would spit it out with so much emotion on his first try. Goodie Mob, Mike Mosley, Ric Roc, E-40, richie rich, the click, too short, c-bo, all shocked when experienced a day in the studio with pac. Everybody else was used to it because they worked with him daily, but them i just mentioned had a memorable session that they keep talking about when pac is mentioned.

 

[ImmortalTech]

Some Tupac fans will say hip hop is dead. Thats maybe coz no rapper out there really makes you feel a connection between you and the artist. Any rappers anyone can throw in to prove me wrong? What we have now is a competition about cars, money, hoes and rims (another cliche when we talk about hiphop but its all we can talk about when we talk hiphop). But what about the moral and social issues 2pac talked about? No one wants to listen to that anymore?

1st of all, who you connect with is very subjective. A white kid that has issues with his mom might connect with Eminem, where as a Hispanic kid growing up in LA might connect with Psycho Realm.

Yes its true, tupac made music that could relate to almost anybody (ie. Dear Mamma)... But at the same time ppl pretend 2pac never talked about cars money and bitches. When it aint true. He did do that, but he had some sort of balance.

As far as artists that create a connection with the listener, heres a few examples (btw u dont have to agree with me): BROTHER ALI, Talib Kweli, Mos Def, The Roots, One Be Lo, Murs, C-Rayz Walz, Lupe Fiasco, Saigon... etc.

"Probably"...would you say Tupac paid more attention to more of the things goin on in the world than others then?

I aint in no position to judge if he paid more attention to things in the world than others. But it is evident that he was concious of the social issues that surrounded him and his community. And I give him alotta respect for that. But there's still alotta rappers that are VERY concious of the world around us. So I cant say that, that element of hip hop is gone... Its still around but tupac was great at delivering it to the masses.

~peace

 

[L.McG]

I think the motive Tupac had for making music was different, even though he showed every side of him in music, i.e loving cars women & money. I do relate to people who say hip-hop died with him though, because he was one of those defining characters in music, the real epitome of what makes that generation of hip-hop remembered. Much like an Elvis, Ray Charles, Bob Marley or Bob Dylan.

 

[KrZyJr16]

This Forum is the perfect example of how 2pac was hip hop. A quick example: ODB, Proof, Mac Dre have all passed away (R.I.P) But Why are they forgotton so soon? Why are we all hooked on 2pac. Even people who hate on him or cant accept the fact that he did change the rap game here is your chance to see it. Name a rapper who has passed away and has done what pac did. NONE! this conversation should be about over.

 

[Rahim]

ok if you really want to drop theories heres one...2Pac is coming back in the year 7,777 on the 77th day, on the 77th minute, to the 77th second on channel 77.

 

[ManiacDego]

ok if you really want to drop theories heres one...2Pac is coming back in the year 7,777 on the 77th day, on the 77th minute, to the 77th second on channel 77.

damn, for 77 seconds i thought that was the dre. detox release date.

 

[Rahim]

damn, for 77 seconds i thought that was the dre. detox release date.

lol really?

 

[Kadafi Son]

looks like this forum is getting back on its feet

 

[P.U.]

Here's another theory for y'all. Tupac is coming back on 07/07/2007, right? 7+7+2+7=23. That's the time I go to sleep, just a coincidence or is that a Pac's way of telling us that he's alive?

 

[ManiacDego]

7+7+2+7=23.

ohh shit, pac is michael jordan

 

[-744-]

there's still alotta rappers that are VERY concious of the world around us. So I cant say that, that element of hip hop is gone... Its still around but tupac was great at delivering it to the masses.

~peace

Yeah it may also be because it's just not popular nemore, ppl are largely more into hip-hop-pop crap imo