Who deserves the most face palms?

ARon

Well-Known Member
#81
It's also not quite that exact because the Bush administration didn't murder 6 million people in an organized genocide.


Seriously, people need to cut the fuck out with the Hitler analogies (not you specifically, but you reminded me of it).
It was more of analogy for Himmler, saying he was most of the time the brains behind everything
 

Casey

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#82
I had access to a whole range of gorgeous ones....including at least one actual real life princess whose family are worth hundreds of millions and own an insane amount of land and properties worldwide. Penthouse apartment in NYC, million-dollar pad in London, the works.

But fuck having an arranged marriage. Although if my current marriage failed completely, I might consider it....lolol.
 

tHuG $TyLe

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Staff member
#83
Actually, we have made rock music in the past. Our multi-platinum selling album "So Who Am I" was very much a rock album, some of it even bordered on metal, it was that heavy.

And I'm famous in the UK (ask Prize Gotti who has seen me on the TV and heard me on the radio PLENTY of times for example), and even MORE famous in India where our videos are on MTV and VH1 on a daily basis, and we headlined the MTV Awards and did songs for huge Bollywood movies. So because I don't have that notoriety in the country that YOU live in means I'm not a rockstar according to you? There are thousands of people that would come to my show in any given location (yes, even Canada where we've played to thousands of people as recently as this summer gone).

You are being an elitist. AR Rahman was not known outside of India until "Slumdog Millionaire" came out, but he's basically royalty over there. There's guys that sell millions of records in just a handful of countries but aren't known outside of those countries, those people aren't rockstars either? Your logic is completely flawed. I'm sure there's people who are huge in Canada that aren't known outside of there either. My friends in South Africa, the band Jozi cannot go anywhere in Africa without getting literally mobbed, MJ style. They sell millions of records in Africa but if you're not of African descent or live in Africa you wouldn't know who they are. Look up someone like Brenda Fassie or Fela Kuti for example. They aren't generally known outside of Africa but these people are musical GODS. Nana Mouskouri has sold 300 million records making her one of the biggest selling female artists of all time, yet she's basically unknown outside of Greece and it's surrounding countries, and people of Greek descent. I bet you'd consider say, Pete Wentz to be a rock star. But Fall Out Boy don't sell any records in India. They don't sell any records in China. Woops, there's half the worlds population. I doubt they sell records in Thailand, Japan, or anywhere in Africa. Nobody knows who they are in any of those countries. But you would consider him a rock star because he sells records in YOUR country. How musically snobbish and elitist can you get? Have you ever even left Canada or North America?

You have every right to think I'm a dick. That's your opinion. But you can't challenge the facts. There are huge Indian communities in most countries in the world. And I can guarantee you that we have fans in every one of them.

You've been suckered in by this North American mentality that the things that are successful in YOUR market are the be all and end all when it comes to music. Sorry, there's a whole fucking world out there. Don't be such a music snob.
I agree a lot with this post. Now when it comes to Casey Rain, I don't particulary care about his music career (no offense, I don't take interest in many peoples lives), but I do realise the fact Casey is well known in regions in the world, which is quite impressive. Take for example, my sister wrote a song that went number one in Hong Kong, she won't be known for that anywhere but Hong Kong but that is still quite an achievment as her song is well known (or famous) there :thumb:
 

_carmi

me, myself & us
#84
You have every right to think I'm a dick. That's your opinion. But you can't challenge the facts. There are huge Indian communities in most countries in the world. And I can guarantee you that we have fans in every one of them.

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That's my point. You appeal to the Indian communities in most countries. And maybe some British individuals. And maybe some Asians (considering India's in Asia). But that's it.

You are not mainstream as per worldwide mainstream. For me true stardom is worldwide. Not everyone can make it and it's not cause you're on a major label that you will succeed. I think we witness every years tons of artists that are on major labels and don't make it.
 

Duke

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Staff member
#86
It was more of analogy for Himmler, saying he was most of the time the brains behind everything

Himmler was not a thinker, he was an organizer. He was a bureaucrat with no conscience. If Hitler said that they need to systematically murder a million people, Himmler would organize things so that it would actually happen.

When you have to search for the brains of the Nazi idealogy, you come to Alfred Rosenberg. He was the party philosopher who was in large part responsible for inspiring Hitler's ideas.


Without getting into too much detail, many people make a wrong assumption by thinking Nazi Germany was ran very efficiently at the top. It was the total contrary. I've heard the TR (Third Reich) being described as a "totalitarian led anarchy".

One needs to understand that the top of the TR was a collection of powerful figures surrounding Hitler, most of those people trying to gain as much influence with Hitler, which practically related directly to power.
It was by no means the systematic hierarchy like it seemed from the outside.

This does not mean we cannot attribute roles to the famous people around Hitler, but it's very important these people, their motivations and their idealogies are always viewed in context to the complex social structure surrounding Adolf Hitler.
 

Casey

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#87
That's my point. You appeal to the Indian communities in most countries. And maybe some British individuals. And maybe some Asians (considering India's in Asia). But that's it.

You are not mainstream as per worldwide mainstream. For me true stardom is worldwide. Not everyone can make it and it's not cause you're on a major label that you will succeed. I think we witness every years tons of artists that are on major labels and don't make it.
Being famous in only certain communities doesn't equate not being a rockstar, or not being mainstream, especially not when there's a billion of us. There are more of us than there are of you. You are only speaking from the limited western north american perspective.

There is almost literally NO-ONE that is a star worldwide, in every country.

Michael Jackson. Prince. Madonna. Elvis.

That's more or less it. So according to you those people are the only ever true stars, ever?

Your definition of worldwide mainstream is flawed. Mainstream is relative to your country, your community, a whole range of things.

Let's take Shania Twain for example. She's one of the biggest musical stars ever in terms of record sales. She made the biggest selling album of the 90's with Come On Over. But she's obsessed with Indian culture and art. So she decides she wants to make an album of Indian music. Her songs, but instead of the backing music being country/pop, she wants Indian music. She wants this album to do well in India and many other markets worldwide where country isn't popular.

Who does she call to produce the album? I'll give you a clue - they are my two cousins and one is the leader behind my band.

That album "Up!" - a double CD containing the country/pop mixes on CD1 and the Indian mixes on CD2 sold 16 million records and is the biggest selling album of this decade. Yes, my cousin produced one of the 2 CD's that form the biggest selling album of this decade. It sells a shit ton of records in India and she realised her dream of being "mainstream" in India. But it took someone else that was already "mainstream" in India to do it.

You're correct that there are many artists on major labels who don't "make it". But some of them might disagree, because everyone has a different view of what "making it" entails.

There are many who would consider that I have "made it" by virtue of the things I have done - touring the world many times, filling large venues, collaborating with other well known artists, having our music videos on MTV, headlining the MTV awards, having songs in movies, having celebrity fans like Mary Kate and Ashley (who personally handpicked one of our songs for their debut Hollywood movie, having songs in massive video games like the FIFA game that masta mentioned. I don't consider I've made it to where I want to because I'm the type of person who is never satisfied. I have a goal that I haven't reached yet, of winning a Grammy. Perhaps when I do that, my goal will increase to winning more Grammys, or something else. It's a moving target. But I've already achieved more than the vast majority of professional musicians, most of whom who have been in the industry a lot longer than me. That's down to my hard work ethic but I've also been fortunate, and insightful enough to recognise when there are potential opportunities and work to maximise them.

YOU might not consider me mainstream and popular in the world and surroundings that YOU live in. But let me tell you a specific story that has a special place in my heart. A couple of years ago, someone sent me a link to a video on YouTube. This video was of an 7 or 8 year old boy in India. In the video he was playing one of our songs, and dancing and singing along. He sang the Indian lyrics and he sang one of my rap verses on the song. Anyway, we got in contact with the kid, phoned his parents up and they told us he was a huge fan, he ripped out press articles about us from newspapers in India and had them on his wall. We ended up talking to the kid and it was the best day of his life. This kid literally idolized us, and so did all his friends. We were (and still might be) their absolute favorite band, they'd go wild every time they saw us on MTV, etc. He loved us as much as I loved MJ when I was his age, and I had MJ stuff all over my walls.

I'd like to see you try and tell this kid that I'm not a rock star. It's all completely relative.

See you might have a perception of me as some arrogant asshole who's music doesn't mean anything to you and your community, but don't make the mistake of thinking you speak for anyone else outside of your community. Furthermore, you judge me on what I show on this board which represents a very small part of me as a person.

You don't hear me talking about stories like I just mentioned, and I don't talk about the charity work we do (because I don't believe in charity for the sake of PR, it's better to be anonymous).

It's fine though, because nobody should have to try to make or force people to like them. I'm not an egomaniac because I really don't care about things like that. A little perspective is all you need though, before you begin bashing me and saying "well, they don't play your music on the radio station I listen to or the TV channel I watch so therefore it's not important". It's a close-minded local attitude, and I don't think that's who you are in real life.
 

Flipmo

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Staff member
#90
But let me tell you a specific story that has a special place in my heart. A couple of years ago, someone sent me a link to a video on YouTube. This video was of an 7 or 8 year old boy in India. In the video he was playing one of our songs, and dancing and singing along. He sang the Indian lyrics and he sang one of my rap verses on the song. Anyway, we got in contact with the kid, phoned his parents up and they told us he was a huge fan, he ripped out press articles about us from newspapers in India and had them on his wall. We ended up talking to the kid and it was the best day of his life. This kid literally idolized us, and so did all his friends. We were (and still might be) their absolute favorite band, they'd go wild every time they saw us on MTV, etc. He loved us as much as I loved MJ when I was his age, and I had MJ stuff all over my walls.

I'd like to see you try and tell this kid that I'm not a rock star. It's all completely relative.
This made me think of this...

"How we can come from practically nothing to being able to have any fuckin'
thing that we wanted
That's why we sing for these kids, who don't have a thing
Except for a dream, and a fuckin' rap magazine
Who post pin-up pictures on their walls all day long
Idolize they favorite rappers and know all they songs"
 

ill-matic

Well-Known Member
#91
casey's made it. im not feelin the music that much but i can appreciate it. i respect the hustle, regardless of my feelings on the music. aint no denyin that shit.

tho i think humility is a good trait to have. sometimes it's lost in casey. this is what i dont like. i can admire someones success without having them constantly rub my nose in it and make out theyre better than me. dunno if thats all jokes tho, and i dont cry bout it, it just makes it harder to respect your hustle when you do it. know what i mean????

i too would like to get into music production. i got a lot of ideas swimming in my head - different melodies and rhythms which i think would sound good if crafted the right way. but im too poor to purchase the right equipment, and dont have the tech know-how to download useful software which could help me mix something together.
 

S O F I

Administrator
Staff member
#92
tho i think humility is a good trait to have. sometimes it's lost in casey. this is what i dont like. i can admire someones success without having them constantly rub my nose in it and make out theyre better than me. dunno if thats all jokes tho, and i dont cry bout it, it just makes it harder to respect your hustle when you do it. know what i mean????
and Casey's defense is that when he's not being a lovable person, he is ACTING. When he IS a lovable person, he ISN'T acting.

He ascribes all bad behavior to a "social experiment" he's conducting, and all good behavior to who he really is.

and that's why I have a problem with that.

My perspective is that when Casey's ego and pride are under attack, all humility is lost and the egomaniac inside comes out and shows it's colors. But when his pride and ego aren't under attack, he's a chill dude. I'd be a hypocrite if I said I don't resort to similar reactions when my pride is under attack, but maybe that is why I can't stomach when people claim they don't do the same thing.
 

Sebastian

Well-Known Member
and Casey's defense is that when he's not being a lovable person, he is ACTING. When he IS a lovable person, he ISN'T acting.

He ascribes all bad behavior to a "social experiment" he's conducting, and all good behavior to who he really is.

and that's why I have a problem with that.
Lol @ you shitting on his excuse in every other post.
 

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