8 Reasons You Should Stay the Hell Away From Eggs
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It doesnt make sense one bit!
You know whats funny? People complaining about certain topics coming up over and over again yet whenever it does, the same freaking people bring up the same ridiculous arguments although somebody else explained to them, why they are simply wrong.
It wouldnt be so sad, if it were just happening on a message board but obviously the same principle applies to reality.
You know whats funny? People complaining about certain topics coming up over and over again yet whenever it does, the same freaking people bring up the same ridiculous arguments although somebody else explained to them, why they are simply wrong.
It wouldnt be so sad, if it were just happening on a message board but obviously the same principle applies to reality.
I never said that.
If you want to talk practically, then right now let's not focus on Third World countries because they obviously have less options and bigger issues.
So if we only focus on the Western World... that's not even a billion people. And yes, it's absolutely possible, practical (and helpful for the world) for that population number to switch to healthier, more compassionate diets.
But in the context of this thread - nobody's gonna fucking starve from not eating eggs.
If you want to talk practically, then right now let's not focus on Third World countries because they obviously have less options and bigger issues.
So if we only focus on the Western World... that's not even a billion people. And yes, it's absolutely possible, practical (and helpful for the world) for that population number to switch to healthier, more compassionate diets.
But in the context of this thread - nobody's gonna fucking starve from not eating eggs.
I won't get into the debate of vegan/vegetarian vs eating dairy/meat. I think everyone knows where I stand.
I enjoy reading these articles that Casey and Jokerman (and others) occasionally post because there are times when information is posted that I didn't know. I like to be informed.
Just because people (or articles) don't share your viewpoint (rather it's the more popular view or not) doesn't mean you are being attacked. It just means someone else has a different opinion than you.
Nothing is good for you in excess. I'm sure if all I ate was Kale, non-stop and nothing else (despite it being one of the healthiest vegetables) I'd end up with health problems from not getting enough of other types of minerals and vitamins that I need.
The topic of protein... unless someone is an athlete we really don't need as much protein as people seem to think. It's about .4 x your body weight.. if you weigh 120 lbs you need 50 grams of protein. That's not a lot at all and is certainly fairly easy to get without consuming dairy or meat if an individual so chooses.
I enjoy reading these articles that Casey and Jokerman (and others) occasionally post because there are times when information is posted that I didn't know. I like to be informed.
Just because people (or articles) don't share your viewpoint (rather it's the more popular view or not) doesn't mean you are being attacked. It just means someone else has a different opinion than you.
Nothing is good for you in excess. I'm sure if all I ate was Kale, non-stop and nothing else (despite it being one of the healthiest vegetables) I'd end up with health problems from not getting enough of other types of minerals and vitamins that I need.
The topic of protein... unless someone is an athlete we really don't need as much protein as people seem to think. It's about .4 x your body weight.. if you weigh 120 lbs you need 50 grams of protein. That's not a lot at all and is certainly fairly easy to get without consuming dairy or meat if an individual so chooses.
Need and want are 2 different things.
I may only need a little protein. But for sport and for my body, I choose to eat a high protein diet. Eggs are the best source as your body takes in nearly 100% of that protein. many studies are now saying that there is only good cholesterol in eggs, and they are actually a superfood.
I agree there are other ways to eat. And my hat is off to Vegans, as it is a lifestyle I'd like to choose. But I am selfish and eat lots of tasty meat. If it means anything, I always buy my meat from the farm shop and not from supermarkets or places where it is factory farmed. But I still eat living creatures.
In my defence. I have health issues which mean I don't get all the nutrition from foods as I should. So cutting out meat would probably have ill effects. It isn't recommended by doctors. Although cutting out red meat is, and I ignore that.
P.S - I have done a lot of substances worse than eggs... So don't worry too much about the health "dangers"
I may only need a little protein. But for sport and for my body, I choose to eat a high protein diet. Eggs are the best source as your body takes in nearly 100% of that protein. many studies are now saying that there is only good cholesterol in eggs, and they are actually a superfood.
I agree there are other ways to eat. And my hat is off to Vegans, as it is a lifestyle I'd like to choose. But I am selfish and eat lots of tasty meat. If it means anything, I always buy my meat from the farm shop and not from supermarkets or places where it is factory farmed. But I still eat living creatures.
In my defence. I have health issues which mean I don't get all the nutrition from foods as I should. So cutting out meat would probably have ill effects. It isn't recommended by doctors. Although cutting out red meat is, and I ignore that.
P.S - I have done a lot of substances worse than eggs... So don't worry too much about the health "dangers"
It does mean something. It means you at least think about what you're putting into your body, and that's more than most so definitely commendable. It's also commendable that you ideologically would choose Veganism.
And as far as protein is concerned, these guys ain't complaining:
Vegan Bodybuilding & Fitness
Vegan Bodybuilding
Vegan Bodybuilding: No Pain, No Gain, and Definitely No Animal Products
Meet Hollie Walcott - vegan bodybuilder - Vegsource.com
Interview with Vegan Bodybuilder Robert Cheeke (Part 2/3) « Set Higher Standards
I understand there is a great deal of protein in hemp. I believe these guys are using hemp based protein powders as opposed to the ones other bodybuilders use which have egg whites and casein (milk protein).
That sounds a little vague. Do you know specifically what you're not able to absorb that you should be absorbing?
Right. But you knew when you were doing them that they were bad for you. People know when they smoke, or drink, or do a line, that it's bad for you. The difference with eggs is that most people don't know about the points that Jokerman posted in the first post. And while you are getting protein from eggs, and while they might have good cholesterol, that doesn't negate all of the damage they cause too.
I mean, there's evidence that smoking cigarettes actually fights one or two kinds of cancer. But obviously it causes a shitload more. This is kinda the same thing. Nobody would smoke shitloads of cigarettes to ward off those one or two specific types of cancer. So why use eggs as a primary source of protein when there are loads of other things than can give you that protein, without harming you at the same time?
And as far as protein is concerned, these guys ain't complaining:
Vegan Bodybuilding & Fitness
Vegan Bodybuilding
Vegan Bodybuilding: No Pain, No Gain, and Definitely No Animal Products
Meet Hollie Walcott - vegan bodybuilder - Vegsource.com
Interview with Vegan Bodybuilder Robert Cheeke (Part 2/3) « Set Higher Standards
I understand there is a great deal of protein in hemp. I believe these guys are using hemp based protein powders as opposed to the ones other bodybuilders use which have egg whites and casein (milk protein).
That sounds a little vague. Do you know specifically what you're not able to absorb that you should be absorbing?
Right. But you knew when you were doing them that they were bad for you. People know when they smoke, or drink, or do a line, that it's bad for you. The difference with eggs is that most people don't know about the points that Jokerman posted in the first post. And while you are getting protein from eggs, and while they might have good cholesterol, that doesn't negate all of the damage they cause too.
I mean, there's evidence that smoking cigarettes actually fights one or two kinds of cancer. But obviously it causes a shitload more. This is kinda the same thing. Nobody would smoke shitloads of cigarettes to ward off those one or two specific types of cancer. So why use eggs as a primary source of protein when there are loads of other things than can give you that protein, without harming you at the same time?
My guts don't absorb the food into the blood stream as they should. Some gets through. In simple terms.
I am not comfortable disclosing the condition though. I keep it as my secret... lol
Thanks for the links, by the way.
I may try Vegetarianism or Vegan-ism one day. But I find giving up meat, very hard. When I am in the States there is far more choice in restaurants and shops than in the UK.
No eggs means no noodles, no cake, and a lot of bakery items. Fuck that.
I don't eat eggs alone, really. I haven't had omelets recently and I may have had eggs in my McDonald's breakfast sandwiches.
Still, it's in everything. I live an already unhealthy life and I don't plan on changing. Old-age is overrated for me.
I don't eat eggs alone, really. I haven't had omelets recently and I may have had eggs in my McDonald's breakfast sandwiches.
Still, it's in everything. I live an already unhealthy life and I don't plan on changing. Old-age is overrated for me.
I never particularly developed a strong liking for food. To this day, I see food as merely sustenance. In other words, I'd have no problem giving up any food to become a vegetarian or even a vegan. It's just that at this point in my life, I'm not ambitious enough to make the necessary changes (educate myself on the food choices, learn how to prepare them, etc). I hate it when it takes more than ten minutes for me to finish a meal. I get so bored mid-meal and want to go do something else. I also hate eating breakfast because it seems that it takes so long for my day to start in the morning. Shower, coffee, food, etc. It's like damn, can I get on with my day?
When I'm high, it's a different story. I'd eat a dinosaur cock.
When I'm high, it's a different story. I'd eat a dinosaur cock.
Fair enough.
And yeah, definitely more choices in the US than the UK.
But if you're ever out anywhere and wonder if there's a healthier option for somewhere to eat, check out Vegetarian Restaurants Guide / Vegan Food Directory of Natural Health Food Stores by HappyCow - you can sort by vegetarian, vegan, or places that serve meat but do have lots of vegetarian or vegan options. They have an Android app too that has come in handy for me.
Never heard of rice noodles? They're tastier than egg noodles anyway, I preferred them even when I wasn't vegan.
As for cakes/bakeries, you're in the US, there are egg-free bakeries eeeeeeverywhere. I just found 3 of them within a mile of the university you go to.
Anyway, if you're happy living an unhealthy life, this conversation is moot anyway. But maybe the next time you get sick due to eating shit, or when you meet a girl nice enough to motivate you to want to be the best person you can be for her, you'll think more deeply about it.
Or you'll die alone and overweight from a heart attack/diabetes at the age of 30.
And yeah, definitely more choices in the US than the UK.
But if you're ever out anywhere and wonder if there's a healthier option for somewhere to eat, check out Vegetarian Restaurants Guide / Vegan Food Directory of Natural Health Food Stores by HappyCow - you can sort by vegetarian, vegan, or places that serve meat but do have lots of vegetarian or vegan options. They have an Android app too that has come in handy for me.
Never heard of rice noodles? They're tastier than egg noodles anyway, I preferred them even when I wasn't vegan.
As for cakes/bakeries, you're in the US, there are egg-free bakeries eeeeeeverywhere. I just found 3 of them within a mile of the university you go to.
Anyway, if you're happy living an unhealthy life, this conversation is moot anyway. But maybe the next time you get sick due to eating shit, or when you meet a girl nice enough to motivate you to want to be the best person you can be for her, you'll think more deeply about it.
Or you'll die alone and overweight from a heart attack/diabetes at the age of 30.
NOTE: My "you" is general
I don't think anyone was implying that YOU need to change how you live. I think it's more of a "be informed" situation. Know that it might not be as good for you as the various industries like to make you believe.
As for baked goods.. when/if you're in Illinois again...
Blind Faith Café : Chicago vegetarian restaurant serving brunch, lunch and dinner
The Chicago Diner veggiediner.com
No point in saying there aren't any options, because there are. Just say you don't care to try the other options. *shrug* It is what it is and I doubt anyone cares how you choose to eat.
That may sound more rude than I intend but i'm nearly certain it's true.
I don't think anyone was implying that YOU need to change how you live. I think it's more of a "be informed" situation. Know that it might not be as good for you as the various industries like to make you believe.
As for baked goods.. when/if you're in Illinois again...
Blind Faith Café : Chicago vegetarian restaurant serving brunch, lunch and dinner
The Chicago Diner veggiediner.com
No point in saying there aren't any options, because there are. Just say you don't care to try the other options. *shrug* It is what it is and I doubt anyone cares how you choose to eat.
That may sound more rude than I intend but i'm nearly certain it's true.
It’s not searching for problems. It’s keeping your eyes open to what is and actualizing on it. That’s a very self-empowering way to live. Living a conscious and conscientious life leads to balance and what some might call happiness.
I don’t spend a second of the day avoiding or worrying about anything. I embrace everything. So I embrace the possible cholesterol/diabetes link. Seems like someone else is doing the avoiding and denying and worrying here.
I've never connected my positive talk with changing one's diet, and I've never said anything about "happy, carefree or perfect lives." If you put what I've said in a silly way, then you are attacking a straw man. And in this thread, I merely pointed out that life will be richer if one stops being afraid of new things. If you stop being afraid, what's to worry about?
I have to admit I sometimes get suicidal when I read misunderstandings of what I say.
I don’t spend a second of the day avoiding or worrying about anything. I embrace everything. So I embrace the possible cholesterol/diabetes link. Seems like someone else is doing the avoiding and denying and worrying here.
I've never connected my positive talk with changing one's diet, and I've never said anything about "happy, carefree or perfect lives." If you put what I've said in a silly way, then you are attacking a straw man. And in this thread, I merely pointed out that life will be richer if one stops being afraid of new things. If you stop being afraid, what's to worry about?
I have to admit I sometimes get suicidal when I read misunderstandings of what I say.
You embrace that because you're living a specific lifestyle and you had to give away something potentially fun to live it, because you believe that it will make you healthier. Thinking that these "bad" things don't concern you makes you worry-free. You made a sacrifice while picking your path - maybe it was easy to you, but wouldn't be as easy for many other people. To some people out there it's sacrificing a lot of joy they could potentially have from their lives and their goal doesn't necessarily have to be the same as yours - to live long.
You're even possibly happy that there's another study proving that you're avoiding a "worse" way of life.
In fact that other way could possibly bring more joy to a lot of people and is not as "deadly" as presented.
Granted you weren't depressing yourself with links like the one from this thread. Sometimes it's better not to know some things.
Yes, that part is very true. The reason for me connecting these two was because you wrote that part about happiness in this thread about food and diet - I failed to see other reasons behind it.
Sorry if any part of my message felt like a personal attack. I don't mean it.
I guess I was pretty sleepy but couldn't sleep, and I wasn't at my best.
You're even possibly happy that there's another study proving that you're avoiding a "worse" way of life.
In fact that other way could possibly bring more joy to a lot of people and is not as "deadly" as presented.
Granted you weren't depressing yourself with links like the one from this thread. Sometimes it's better not to know some things.
Yes, that part is very true. The reason for me connecting these two was because you wrote that part about happiness in this thread about food and diet - I failed to see other reasons behind it.
Sorry if any part of my message felt like a personal attack. I don't mean it.
I guess I was pretty sleepy but couldn't sleep, and I wasn't at my best.
NOTE: My "you" is general
I don't think anyone was implying that YOU need to change how you live. I think it's more of a "be informed" situation. Know that it might not be as good for you as the various industries like to make you believe.
As for baked goods.. when/if you're in Illinois again...
Blind Faith Café : Chicago vegetarian restaurant serving brunch, lunch and dinner
The Chicago Diner veggiediner.com
No point in saying there aren't any options, because there are. Just say you don't care to try the other options. *shrug* It is what it is and I doubt anyone cares how you choose to eat. That may sound more rude than I intend but i'm nearly certain it's true.
I don't think anyone was implying that YOU need to change how you live. I think it's more of a "be informed" situation. Know that it might not be as good for you as the various industries like to make you believe.
As for baked goods.. when/if you're in Illinois again...
Blind Faith Café : Chicago vegetarian restaurant serving brunch, lunch and dinner
The Chicago Diner veggiediner.com
No point in saying there aren't any options, because there are. Just say you don't care to try the other options. *shrug* It is what it is and I doubt anyone cares how you choose to eat.
That may sound more rude than I intend but i'm nearly certain it's true.
Yeah, I know. I was just stating I wasn't gonna change, that's all. Unless I feel like I need to. That point hasn't come for me yet.
/\ Well as long as you accept that it might come, and the less you care about what you eat that possibility increases exponentially, then that's something. But the thing is, if you wait until you need to change because it's causing problems, it's going to be a lot harder than if you realize way before you get to that point and change because you WANT to, to avoid it.
As for linking diet and happiness, you guys know better than that. Foods that are bad for you, fast foods especially, things high in salt, sugar, fat or all three, are extremely addictive. Obviously caffeine too, another staple of a lot of people's diets (and just so you know i'm not just trying to preach, i've had a mild caffeine addiction myself....I need to ease up on the energy drinks)
You build this stuff up in your system, and it's like any other drug, you go without it, and you'll have withdrawals that negatively affect your mood, make you unhappy and depressed.
So masta, your point about people having as much joy from unhealthy behaviour, I'd counter that that joy can often be a false one. Heroin addicts are joyful when they get a hit too.... but I'm seriously hoping you don't condone anyone going out and shooting up.
Food's no different to drugs. People get addictions and people die of heart attacks, diabetes, obesity, and shit like BSE and in this case, Salmonella, because they don't give a shit or bother to educate themselves.
And there's social implications. If you eat shit all the time you get sick more often. Jokerman has posted links before about how commonly eaten meats reduce your body's immune system. You're eating shitty fast food meat on top of that and it ain't gonna help. Nobody enjoys being around people who have colds and are coughing and sneezing all the fucking time. I know I don't. Obviously that's extreme but shit, since I went vegetarian and now vegan, I just don't get sick. I didn't get sick once in the whole of 2009 and I had a mild cold earlier this year that lasted less than 2 days. Whereas the people I know eating KFC all the time are getting like 4-5 colds a year.
Smacky you said you had an Egg McMuffin or something. You think that's the best source to get an egg from if you do eat eggs? Is that egg gonna have come from a nice empty field or a fucking disgusting factory farm where the chickens are all diseased, pecking each other to death, covered in shit, stuffed in tiny cages and being injected with growth hormone so the farmers are making more profit from the meat? I mean, damn. It's not that difficult to figure out. Are the things posted in this thread gonna apply more to the low quality factory farm eggs or more expensive, free range, etc, one? Do I even have to ask that?
I'm a vegan so obviously I have issues with meat and dairy in general. But fuck, if you're gonna eat them at least pay more and get a quality product and not the scrapings of the barrel.
It ain't even like you are broke and have to survive on 99cent McWhatever the Fuck's, you drive a BMW. Is the vehicle you drive more important than what you put into your body on a daily basis? Those priorities are twisted the fuck up if that's the case.
As for linking diet and happiness, you guys know better than that. Foods that are bad for you, fast foods especially, things high in salt, sugar, fat or all three, are extremely addictive. Obviously caffeine too, another staple of a lot of people's diets (and just so you know i'm not just trying to preach, i've had a mild caffeine addiction myself....I need to ease up on the energy drinks)
You build this stuff up in your system, and it's like any other drug, you go without it, and you'll have withdrawals that negatively affect your mood, make you unhappy and depressed.
So masta, your point about people having as much joy from unhealthy behaviour, I'd counter that that joy can often be a false one. Heroin addicts are joyful when they get a hit too.... but I'm seriously hoping you don't condone anyone going out and shooting up.
Food's no different to drugs. People get addictions and people die of heart attacks, diabetes, obesity, and shit like BSE and in this case, Salmonella, because they don't give a shit or bother to educate themselves.
And there's social implications. If you eat shit all the time you get sick more often. Jokerman has posted links before about how commonly eaten meats reduce your body's immune system. You're eating shitty fast food meat on top of that and it ain't gonna help. Nobody enjoys being around people who have colds and are coughing and sneezing all the fucking time. I know I don't. Obviously that's extreme but shit, since I went vegetarian and now vegan, I just don't get sick. I didn't get sick once in the whole of 2009 and I had a mild cold earlier this year that lasted less than 2 days. Whereas the people I know eating KFC all the time are getting like 4-5 colds a year.
Smacky you said you had an Egg McMuffin or something. You think that's the best source to get an egg from if you do eat eggs? Is that egg gonna have come from a nice empty field or a fucking disgusting factory farm where the chickens are all diseased, pecking each other to death, covered in shit, stuffed in tiny cages and being injected with growth hormone so the farmers are making more profit from the meat? I mean, damn. It's not that difficult to figure out. Are the things posted in this thread gonna apply more to the low quality factory farm eggs or more expensive, free range, etc, one? Do I even have to ask that?
I'm a vegan so obviously I have issues with meat and dairy in general. But fuck, if you're gonna eat them at least pay more and get a quality product and not the scrapings of the barrel.
It ain't even like you are broke and have to survive on 99cent McWhatever the Fuck's, you drive a BMW. Is the vehicle you drive more important than what you put into your body on a daily basis? Those priorities are twisted the fuck up if that's the case.
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It's funny you say this because I am currently recovering from the flu.. symptoms started in on Sunday morning and all symptons are almost gone; it's now Monday night. Caught it from a friend I was visiting who was sick >.< Anyways.. that was my first real illness since I had pneumonia in 2008. Pretty impressive since i have always had a fairly poor immune system.
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