The Eco-friendly Thread

THEV1LL4N

Well-Known Member
#1
  • How are you being environmentally friendly?
  • Have you made any changes to your lifestyle?
  • Do you have any tips or ideas on how to be greener?
  • Any ideas to reduce plastic wastage (easy-swaps are always a good shout)
  • Anything else that anyone wants to add?
I would recommend the following easy steps (I’ll list the first 10 that come to mind)
  1. Get yourself a stainless steel water bottle that can be reused
  2. Look into refillable products (eco-refill). Carex, Detol, Air Wick, L’occitane, Naissance and other brands do refill packs,
  3. Bulk buy (if this won’t result in wastage)
  4. Buy local produce
  5. Ditch plastic teabags and go for a brand that uses paper or go for loose-leaf tea.
  6. Swap out washing up liquid (plastic bottles) and sponge (non-biodegradable) for dish soap and a bamboo brush
  7. Swap out shampoo and conditioner bottles for shampoo and conditioner bars
  8. Swap out cling film or plastic bags for reusable sandwich bags
  9. Make your own snacks at home such as hummous or crisps (hummous takes minutes and tastes much better)
  10. Drink milk? Get your milk in glass bottles or a tetra-pack (e.g. UHT, Soya, Almond, Cashew, Oat).
 

Da_Funk

Well-Known Member
#2
I have a worm farm and Bokashi bin as well as a compost system, between the three of them I've been able to create an amazing soil for my garden. In the process of building garden beds and will soon grow the majority of my veggies.

Every re-usable product over it's disposable equivalent, solar panels on my home. There's plenty we can do as individuals but reality is, none of it will make one lick of difference until big business come to the party.
 

Pittsey

Knock, Knock...
Staff member
#3
If you drink milk you're not being eco friendly


I've gone plant based 5 days a week as my sustainability commitment and I've cut out all dairy. I'd ditched plastic bottled water long, long ago. And I always preferred the taste of loose leaf tea


I agree with Da Funk though. Change needs to come through legislation which will ensure change in big business. Or... Change will come from sustainable options saving big business cash. Green energy is now cheaper than fossil (as an example)
 

masta247

Well-Known Member
Staff member
#4
I don't drive and I enjoy buying efficient technology. I generate relatively little waste. Most things I have are refillable. I have a vacuum insulated mug and drink tea almost exclusively (loose leaf or paper bags). I don't waste food either, as I order fresh things in small quantities often. I live in an apartment that's not oversized too and use less than a third of electricity compared to the average client according to my electric company, which makes me wonder how they're able to even use so much, as I'm not a super-saving nazi.
I'd say I'm quite green, and usually it's because making simple decisions to not be a wasteful ass just makes me feel happier, as they're often also more minimalistic.
 
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_carmi

me, myself & us
#6
I do not do enough yet to be as eco-friendly as I could be. I do the obvious - recycling. I am also careful about food waste, energy and water utilization. I am trying to purchase more and more reusable/refillable items that are washable/environmentally sound.

I am looking into composting, but I do find the actual process repulsive. I have been closely following the launch of a small appliance coming in the next year that's considered an alternative (https://teroproducts.com/?lang=en). Looks compact and efficient.

As much as I think every individual can have an impact to help the environment, major countries need to step in with legislation to "strongly encourage" businesses and individuals into environmentally-friendly alternatives. Many countries have set climate change goals, but as far as I know very few are attaining them.
 

THEV1LL4N

Well-Known Member
#7
There a really good HBO documentary (Sky Atlantic in the UK) called Ice On Fire. Definitely worth a watch.

I also recommend the TED Talks Daily podcasts on climate change.
 

Preach

Well-Known Member
#9
  • How are you being environmentally friendly?
  • Have you made any changes to your lifestyle?
  • Do you have any tips or ideas on how to be greener?
  • Any ideas to reduce plastic wastage (easy-swaps are always a good shout)
  • Anything else that anyone wants to add?
I would recommend the following easy steps (I’ll list the first 10 that come to mind)
  1. Get yourself a stainless steel water bottle that can be reused
  2. Look into refillable products (eco-refill). Carex, Detol, Air Wick, L’occitane, Naissance and other brands do refill packs,
  3. Bulk buy (if this won’t result in wastage)
  4. Buy local produce
  5. Ditch plastic teabags and go for a brand that uses paper or go for loose-leaf tea.
  6. Swap out washing up liquid (plastic bottles) and sponge (non-biodegradable) for dish soap and a bamboo brush
  7. Swap out shampoo and conditioner bottles for shampoo and conditioner bars
  8. Swap out cling film or plastic bags for reusable sandwich bags
  9. Make your own snacks at home such as hummous or crisps (hummous takes minutes and tastes much better)
  10. Drink milk? Get your milk in glass bottles or a tetra-pack (e.g. UHT, Soya, Almond, Cashew, Oat).
1. Not applicable in northern Norway.
2. I buy refill on what I can except freeze-dried coffee, which comes in glasses. I recycle the glass and that just strikes me as more environment-friendly than buying a plastic refill bag and recycling that. Microplastics and all.
3. :thumb:
4. :thumb:
5. Don't drink tea, only coffee, see 2.
6. :thumb: though my brush is plastic. I've had it for 3 years and it's still going strong. I wash it in the machine from time to time. I brush carefully. It still looks like it's fairly new.
7. I don't have hair and use the same soap for everything, so see 2.
8. I keep leftovers and etc. in hard plastic boxes instead of film/bags. Considering getting some glass jars instead at some point.
9. I do make a lot of food from the ground up, but I need potato chips. A lot of the brands over here come in paper bags though, particularly, most of my favorite brands except the norwegian equivalent to cheetos. That still comes in a plastic bag. Too bad, nature. This is a dealbreaker.
10. I hate milk. Only dairy product I eat is cheese. That only comes in plastic over here.

If we disregard the fact that Norway drills for oil, we're doing pretty good on the environment front. For example, I sort all my trash in color coded bags, so about 50-75% of all my wastage gets recycled. So we have a lot of solutions like that which makes it easy for me to be environment friendly. Also, any bottled or canned liquid you buy in a store, you pay a little deposit (something like $0,3-0,5 per bottle/can) that's refunded when you recycle it. So any beverage that comes in a plastic bottle, the bottles get recycled. Another nationwide thing that just makes things easy for me. As far as water and electricity goes, we get our power from water dams, so it's 100% clean power. We have LOTS of rain and snow throughout the year. I could leave my tap running for an hour, and it doesn't affect the local environment in any detrimental way. And as far as I can understand, there's no way it can affect the global environment either, so I basically don't even have to think about water or electricity usage. I drive a diesel car, so that's a little less bad than a regular gasoline car. I would drive an electric if I could afford it.

But yeah, my main idea for being greener is, get glass jars, metal boxes, or something like such to store leftovers and unpacked food in the fridge/freezer, instead of plastic film/bags, aluminum foil, etc. Something that will last you years. Get lots of them, so you can keep everything in different sized boxes. Plastic boxes, though plastic, are superior to glass and metal due to how water expands in a fridge. If you bought ten plastic boxes in different sizes and never used plastic film/bags again, I would argue that's an environmental improvement, even though it still includes using plastics. But then if you wanted to be "hardcore" you could go for metal or glass. But then you have to consider what you put in there and how much, as frozen food could expand and break glass jars.
 
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Preach

Well-Known Member
#10
As far as big business goes.

I was watching a documentary about global shipping and the impact it has on the environment. It was on norwegian television so I won't link it, but it had me thinking about a few things.

At one point in the documentary, it talked about ship fuel, and how a lot of big ships have engines that will run on anything that can ignite. So you can throw gasoline, wood, whatever you want in there. As long as it doesn't explode but does ignite, it will keep the engine running. One such fuel was a kind of raw oil bi-product, some kind of really viscous oil that's really thick. Thick like molasses! And it's really cheap. But most countries have laws that prohibit ships from running on that fuel while in their waters. Country borders extend a certain amount of miles out from shore, and past that are international waters. So what major shipping companies do is, they run on the cheap and really environment-unfriendly oil while in international waters, because no country has jurisdiction there, and then they use "clean" fuel while inside country borders. But since they only extend so far to sea, that literally means if a boat is going from Asia to America, it's in international waters like 98% of the trip. So for virtually the whole trip, it's running on the worst kind of fuel, environmentally speaking. I don't see any solution to that problem, tbh. It would take a small miracle. If every currency in the world was interchangeable 1 to 1, then maybe? But that will literally never happen. I don't think that's even a pessimistic viewpoint. Look at history. I don't believe world peace is engineerable, and i don't think it's natural, and I don't think it will ever happen.

The documentary also gave some stats about how many ships travel each day, how far they travel in total, etc. etc. I don't remember specifics, but something like 50-90,000 ships are at sea at any given time. Not boats, ships, like huge ships with thousands of containers, oil tankers, that kind of stuff. Each and every one of them chew through more fuel than every car in a middle-sized village on a given day.

The real kicker is how supply lines are set up around the world. Economy growth in certain countries is in part tied to how we send raw materials that they then make products from. You know how a sheep can be sheered in Ireland, the wool gets sent to India for coloring, then to China for sowing, then back to Ireland for sale. It's tied to how certain countries are emerging from poverty, so while buying local is more environment friendly in CO2 terms, the picture isn't that simple imo. Arguably, a lot of developing countries can't afford to think of the environment, and there are some theories that suggest that when a person reaches a certain buying power, they automatically start caring for the environment. The theory makes a lot of sense to me.

Certain medicines are made in specific countries and only those countries. Certain natural resources only grow here, or there. Because these ships also ship merchandise like clothing, electronics, weapons, food, etc. around the world. So much of what makes up our current world is so reliant on the shipping industry. I don't see an immediate solution to that problem either. Electric planes maybe? I don't know if electric boats work. But there's not enough cobalt to make electric cars for all the car driving people in the world nonetheless, so I dunno about the sustainability of electric travel on a global scale. That's not me saying it won't work, that's me saying: I actually don't know. I don't see a solution to that problem either.

So I agree that the "change" definitely has to come from the top. But the pessimistic part of me comes back to the idea that maybe parts of the problem is practically unsolvable. Maybe humanity is on a path, and the end of that path is that we absorb the earth and kill it. Maybe that's what life forms do to planets. Maybe that's the natural order of things for a life form. I mean, who are we to say? If you can choose between compassion for your neighbour in the now, or compassion for your future neighbour, the right choice isn't obvious to me.
 
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#13
This geezer is awesome!
saving money for a geothermal citrus growing in Minnesota is on my bucket list.

In the words of George Carlin - Earth will be fine.. we’re fucked.
 
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