Some idiotic kid beats up a kitten (video inside)

vg4030 · Feb 19, 2009

I think 6 years on and off is a reasonable amount of time not to be considered a relative new jack :thumb:

Anyway, we're not discussing the merits of eating or not eating meat here. I read your lengthy posts in the other thread. This is about indirectly killing animals, which you mentioned. I think Duke and a few others made good points to argue the fact that vegetarians are also indirectly responsible. This as you can see is a totally different argument.

Also, the sky is only blue because of the blue light refracted due to Rayleigh scattering.. its actually colourless

Casey · Feb 19, 2009

ill-matic said:

you managed to write a lot and actually say nothing. wow. congrats to you!

vg4030 said:

You're a new jack. Aside from the last 6 months or so, nobody knows who you are. It doesn't matter how long ago you registered, just how long you've been an active, contributing member of this forum.

As for the whole direct/indirect thing....let me ask you which of these options is worse.

1. Being a Nazi soldier and knowing your regime is slaughtering hundreds of thousands of people, yet continuing with that lifestyle.

2. Knowing that the Nazi's are slaughtering people and taking a stand against it, forming an alliance with others who share your opinion. Some of your allies die whilst fighting the greater good, but because of your actions, many more people are saved.

The point is, you guys know that you are killing animals for your own cause, and don't have an issue with that.

Whereas, my cause may cause a handful of rodents in a field to die indirectly, but the field will then grow full of vegetables in order to provide food for those who do not want to kill a field full of animals.

Indirect losses are an inevitability sometimes. That's just how it is. Everything that can be done to re-locate and save those small animals that live in that field, is done, for the purpose of saving more animals.

If you can't see the difference there, then you are blind.

keco52 · Feb 19, 2009

Do we REALLLLLLY need another thread on this topic?

tHuG $TyLe · Feb 19, 2009

keco52 said:

Indeed. Its pointless. No-one ever wins either :suspicious:

vg4030 · Feb 19, 2009

Eating meat is comparable to being a Nazi!?? I didnt know that.

So by that reasoning, did you know that the 3 tonnes of product you use in you hair (to get it so sleek and shiney) is also produced by a factory that probably leaks waste into the local river and kills millions of fish?

OK, so im a new jack.. is that why you are only arguing with me? You dont want to offend the other veterans who said something?? I guess you should pick your battles

Anyway, this is getting off topic

Flipmo · Feb 19, 2009

All of our actions have consequences on the world around us. Eating meat, driving our cars, growing vegetable fields, it all effects something in the end. People in general are natural walking hypocrits, we can say: "Hey, doing this will kill that, YOU'RE AN ASSHOLE" ..but then that same guy will go around and do something which little does he know, might be a contributor in the destruction of an eco-system.

I know I'm an hypocrite, I eat meat.. well, actually I mostly eat fish, I love seafood... but I will still do what I can to help. EI: Help animals I see on the streets, feed them, donate money to animal shelters, etc.

It's just a matter of going out and doing your contribution to society and your surroundings.

Chronic · Feb 19, 2009

I was going to say something but I figured it would be annoying, useless and turn this thread into what it is now. But I guess I can now lawl.

I really disagree with the way Casey argued in this thread but I did feel like pointing out the "irony". Quotation marks because it's not really irony.

ARon said:

But there is enjoyment in this for someone. The kid obviously enjoyed it and although it may not be his reason for posting up the video there are plenty of people who would get a kick out of seeing this video. It's a morbid sense of pleasure but pleasure nonetheless.
Personally I wouldn't compare that to eating meat (especially since the way the animals are treated before being killed varies) but it does make me hope that the people who get pissed off at seeing stuff like this draw the line a little further. Coincidentally you mentioned chicken. Most chicken that end up on your plate systematically go through worse things than this. It's kind of hard to liken what the kid did to anything because it borders on or is psychopathic behavior but ultimately instead of morbid pleasure you get pleasure and the morbidity happens behind the scenes. I don't expect anyone to stop eating meat because of that video (it's a very different discussion and quite a leap to make) but maybe it will make you think. Just look up some videos of how cows and chicken are treated through mass production and see if you agree with the torture that happens there. If you don't maybe you'll become more selective about the source of your meat. You may not want to give your money to companies who's employees routinely torture animals, either by simply doing their job or by "having fun" and doing the exact same thing the kid did with the cat only in more inventive and a lot more painful ways (which happens a lot). Like a lot of people pointed out, there's a big difference between murder and torture (the torture also bothers me far more than the killing ... everything dies but not everything goes through hell before they do), so maybe use the feelings of :mad:

/:X you got from the video and see whether the meat you're eating comes from a place where they treat the animals well and then kill them (which is in agreement with your values) or a place where they abuse animals and then kill them (which isn't in agreement with your values). Don't need to stop eating meat to help the "cause".

Please don't turn this into another vegetarian debate (talking to Casey here as well) and people probably shouldn't bother replying to what I said either, it's off-topic. Either it will make you think and change something or it won't and who at this point really cares to discuss animal rights any further?

And for the love of God would people stop making the "I'm going to eat [fill in some animal/animal part]" joke. Not because it hurts my feelings (it's not like I'm sobbing and telling my brothers to go to hell when I'm doing my best to cook them a delicious piece of meat... I'm proud of my burritos!) but because it's not funny. Maybe it was the first time someone said it but god, look up the word cliché. Except keco, her comment made me laugh. See how she said something original? :nuts:

Casey · Feb 19, 2009

vg4030 said:

I don't use any product in my hair. Not a single thing. I use flat irons to straighten, and that's it. But thank you for saying I have sleek and shiny hair.

I've heard olive oil is good for that. That's what Prince uses anyway, and it's a natural product so yay, maybe I should try it.

Chronic said:

Once again, Chronic, you have proven yourself to be one of the most intelligent posters on this forum. I already knew that, of course.

Preach · Feb 19, 2009

edit.

Preach · Feb 19, 2009

Casey Rain said:

Lol. I disagree with everything you said here. It's easy to blurt something out and then do the routine where you pretend you weren't serious but you now realize that this board has stooped lower than you had realized so you're out doing something "more worthwhile" for the rest of the day and goes "peace mtoherfuckers". It's see-throughable, c'mon lol.

You are not annihilating shit. You think you have found the path of righteousness like every other adult human being in the world. It's a condition of being human, that once you reach a certain age past puberty you take on a confidence. You're on your little masquerade trying to change the world for the better, and you just know you have found the answer. You are positively sure that being a vegetarian is a healthier alternative to eating meat regularly. You truly believe in this. It is your life.

Now look at me. I'm my own whole person just like you. I have just as many features as you. I'm just as "smart" and "complex" and "unique". There is nothing you have experienced that makes the span of possible thoughts and ideas you could have greater than mine. Only different. I too have found my masquerade. I too care for things. I too have that confidence. I too am cocky and following my own direction without blinking twice. So I have mine and you have yours. Why can't you worry about yours while I worry about mine? What makes you think I'm not fighting a dozen good causes that you don't know about? See your trick is that when I don't agree with you that eating meat is bad and kills a lot of animals but eating vegetables and alternative food is healthy and saves more animals' lives, you make it out like I'm an idiot for that. When I won't come freely you try to force me through clever word play. I am a "complete" person like you, with a "cause" just like you, and a day full of things i have to do just like you. I selected my cause and it was not the same as your cause. I have not the stretch in me to fight two causes. I believe my cause is more important so I'm gonna pick that over yours. That is what the case is. If that makes me annihilated, consider me annihilated.

What me and you are doing is one and the same. You just happen to have taken up an interest that is "morally correct" (which it really is not, evidenced by the argument that harvesting your crops kill as many if not more animals than cattle farms - but you think it's morally correct) and I happen to not care a fucking shit in the world about either side of the argument. When you can't get me to submit to the dominance and superiority of your personal opinion, you make it out as if I know you're right but some complex like pride is keeping me from admitting it. This is the cockies I think I've ever seen you Casey. It's even cockier than the "I LIVE THIS SHIT" comment.

I don't CARE about fucking animals I'll never even touch, I like the taste of meat and about 18/20 of my favorite dishes have meat in them. Suck a fat one, because I'm not giving up one of my life's joys. I don't think you are more right than me. In fact, I think you're wrong. I think you have misunderstood the concept of health the same way teenage girls misunderstand the concept of cleanliness. For example, I have been told "eww" for not having showered for two days (because I didn't have time) by a girl that sleeps with her makeup on. An obvious misunderstanding of how biology works and what "dirty" really means. I thoroughly believe you and every other vegetarian have misunderstood something when you go about your ways. This is what I believe. Just like a Christian will defend his faith in Jesus to the death, so will I defend this. I'm not just saying this, these aren't just words, this is my belief that I will fight for and kill for. So don't come with that "you know I'm right" because we don't. That's the point and has been the point for this entire discussion. Not just on these boards, but the general discussion of vegetarians vs. meat eaters. We think you are fucking wack for what you're doing, it's nonsensical like giving in to your woman's every little demand. I look down on your opinion like I look down on pussywhipped people. Sorta laughing, thinking at least they're happy in their own little world.

Also, this has nothing to do with you Casey as a person (which I like rly) or the merit of your argument, just the way you present it like I'm the fool for disagreeing with you. What Chronic said makes sense. Me and him can talk about this because he doesn't try and guilt me or stupor me into changing what I believe. He has a brilliant way of stating his own thoughts and opinions without trying to challenge everyone else's. Ofc no one likes seeing shit like this. Animals are being treated in fucked up ways. I remember that one video with the epic music showing how various animals were killed, it's not like that video didn't affect me. That doesn't in any way apply to where I stand on eating meat though. But like he said I might be more selective about the meat I purchase.

Preach · Feb 19, 2009

Casey Rain said:

Okay. Consider me blind then. Again, you're not saying anything here, you're just challenging me so that I feel stupid for disagreeing with you. You are saying nothing with the first paragraph I quoted. I read "my cause may cause animals dying, but it then grows a field of food for those who don't want to kill animals". if you cut out "those that don't want to kill animals", since you are effectively lying to yourself if you think that's what you are doing, you are left with "my cause may cause animals dying, but it will give food to people". Killing animals for meat should be ok then?

I want to challenge "a handful of rodents". Statistics please. I believe you are pretty mistaken. I think we are talking about more than a handful. Actually, I'd say it's closer to being either you kill a whole field of cows and eat the meat, or you kill a whole field of rodents and don't do anything with them at all. That's what it looks like to me, and for your cause the death is more wasted than mine. Also, I remember the reaction when I posted that rat in the blender. What do you think happens to a rodent, a rabbit, that gets sucked into a harvester? Well for one it doesn't stay in there the same way the mouse in the blender did so if extra unlucky it could get chopped in half and left for dead with the pain as well as the death itself. Go humanity!

I also want to question what you said that "everything is being done". Do you think redneck farmer joe gives a fuck lol? Farmers kill shit on the daily, do you think they care about rodents when they're running around in their tractor? Of course not. What exactly is being done then, to limit the deaths of rodents during harvest season? A huge snowplower plows through an area of several square yards killing everything in its way, what's the protective measure? A fence around the crops? Be for real. The only way to stop killing rodents is to stop harvesting, so you're right that indirect killings are invitable. But it's somehow okay because at least you don't eat them, right? I just didn't except to hear it from a vegetarian who is advocating more humane treatment of animals lol.

All in all I think you are fighting a good fight Casey, I do. But like I said, I already picked my fight and it is not this. Please respect this.

EDIT: I did not try and turn this into another discussion of vegetarian vs. meat again. I'm not argumenting for eating meat, nor against being a vegetarian, I am arguing for the right to be your own person and make your own choices, and appreciate that just because other peoples' choices differ to yours does not make you worth any more, or them; any less. Lastly, I'm advocating my right to be respected by those who disagree with me, just like I respect them even though I disagree.

S O F I · Feb 19, 2009

The difference between Casey and Chronic, Jokerman, and other vegetarians is that Casey doesn't really care about turning you away from meat, he just cares about being "right" in an argument and making someone feel like they "lost" the battle of meat vs. vegetarian.

Casey, if you truly and genuine care about the animals you often speak of, you would change the matter in which you discuss these issues. Your attitude will only make people rebel. But, you probably won't, because like I said and like it's evident in your posts, you only care about presenting yourself as righteous and holy while making others feel bad for their food consumption choices.

hizzle? · Feb 19, 2009

Compromise?

Preach · Feb 19, 2009

hizzle? said:

I speak this language.

Lil KaMiKaZe · Feb 19, 2009

So who wins?...*eating a steak*

Casey · Feb 19, 2009

S O F I said:

Are you fucking serious? You think I adapted my entire diet and lifestyle in order to adopt a 'holier-than-thou' attitude?

You are very, very much mistaken. More than that, you are completely wrong.

In real life, I present my case the way Chronic and Jokerman do. I don't try and make people feel bad or make myself out to be superior. Of course I recognize that they way I talk ON THIS MESSAGE BOARD isn't the best way to big up my cause.

But you know what? I'm here to have fun, just like everyone else here. I don't want to have to think about what I say, I want to vent. At the end of the day I'll probably never meet more than a few people here, and I could really give less than a fuck about most of the people here.

I like to stir the pot sometimes. Most people here do. It's fun, entertaining, and it asserts my position on this board as a poster that people pay attention to and recognise, so when I have something I want to say, people will respond and I don't get ignored like some n00b. And I know I'm doing the right thing, because I can post two sentences, like I did earlier in this thread, and turn into a massive debate.

But while you guys try and psycho-analyze me and think you've got me all figured out, you don't realize that in real life I am a completely different person and a whole let less caustic and argumentative. I am out and about enjoying life to the fullest, getting paid to do what I love. So it's really not necessary to get your panties in a bunch about it.

I know for a fact that the world would be a LOT better place if everyone stopped eating meat, and furthermore have driven a lot of people in real life to make that change. If just one person from here thinks about it enough to change their lifestyle just a little bit, then I'm doing something right. And I know that's working too, because I think that my position and things I've written before slightly contributed to Chronic giving up meat. I could be wrong on that, but I don't think I am.

Preach I'll get back to you later on what you said, I'm not writing another essay right now.

Preach · Feb 19, 2009

Haha it's alright dude. We're all grownups. We can agree to disagree and still be friendly. Respond to it if you want, the overall thing I was trying to project is that every reason you have for believing what you believe; if i believe something different it's same to assume that my reasons are the results of events that had equal impact on my life and persona as those things that lead you to hold your opinions had on your life. I don't just believe things because I'm stupid, there's a reasonable explanation for why I think the way I do just like there is an explanation for why you think the way you do, and I appreciate this fact always. Imo it's important to always remember this. I just wanted to get it out there. I'm sure you understand what I mean, and maybe even agree, so at least we know we're ca. on the same page.

vg4030 · Feb 19, 2009

Casey Rain said:

I dont suggest using olive then a flat iron. You'll end up smelling like an italian on a sunbed

hizzle? · Feb 19, 2009

Casey's vision of cows:

This thread sucks now. I just want to say that to be healthy, you have to balance your diet. So a big fat moo-moo steak with a lot of veggies is where it's at.

ARon · Feb 19, 2009

Did the kid get beat up yet?

Sorry, didnt bother to read all the other stuff.

Some idiotic kid beats up a kitten (video inside)

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