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2-22-2022 A date which will live in infamy! Remember Crimea!
I don't know what's going to happen but I think we're fine! We still have 100 seconds til midnight. It's already a military defeat on the part of NATO and US. My sincere apologies to my friends in Europe. Uncle Sam is demented and in desperate need of youthinasia. Wouldn't mind seeing a US carrier sunk ........ just for the historical context.
I don't know what's going to happen but I think we're fine! We still have 100 seconds til midnight. It's already a military defeat on the part of NATO and US. My sincere apologies to my friends in Europe. Uncle Sam is demented and in desperate need of youthinasia. Wouldn't mind seeing a US carrier sunk ........ just for the historical context.
It really had me thinking about what has been going on with Russia since 2016, or even before then. How Russia was interfering with the US elections and why they may have wanted Trump in office. Sounds like Putin wanted a dildo in office in the US so he could pull this shit off much earlier than he did. Can you imagine if Trump was in office and had to make a decision of this magnitude with Putin involved? I think we'd have been having riots here in the US too because he likely would have tried to explain Putin away and done nothing as the rest of Europe was prepping to take action. I think we'd be in a much worse situation had Putin's alleged plan of having his puppet be the US President actually panned out for him. I don't know what happens now but I still keep circling back to "it could have been much worse" had Trump been around, and this probably would have happened much earlier than yesterday/today.
If China gets involved, I can see more people turning "pro-war" as many people in many countries have an axe to grind with China and would love nothing more than to see China knocked down a few pegs.
I've seen some pretty "neat" videos on Reddit of reporters standing next to Russian troops near the Kiev airport. It's incredible and also scary what these journalists are doing as part of their job.
If China gets involved, I can see more people turning "pro-war" as many people in many countries have an axe to grind with China and would love nothing more than to see China knocked down a few pegs.
I've seen some pretty "neat" videos on Reddit of reporters standing next to Russian troops near the Kiev airport. It's incredible and also scary what these journalists are doing as part of their job.
I'm pretty sure they call each other and tell which targets are going to be struck. lol
https://time.com/4730306/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-russia-missile-attack-bashar-assad/
https://time.com/4730306/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-russia-missile-attack-bashar-assad/
Good morning! What a shit show!
A black puppet, with a help of powerful je*s installs neo-nazi government in the Ukraine, killing and maiming civilians - some calling it ethnic cleansing = NO ONE CARES. TOLD TO SHUT UP AND FORGET!
Russia conducts a Gulf War like show of force in Ukraine and all of a sudden the entire Empire is shattered. Churches are praying, food drives a collecting, local refugees they reacting.
Do you guys miss Trump? The next one's gonna be worse. telling ya
A black puppet, with a help of powerful je*s installs neo-nazi government in the Ukraine, killing and maiming civilians - some calling it ethnic cleansing = NO ONE CARES. TOLD TO SHUT UP AND FORGET!
Russia conducts a Gulf War like show of force in Ukraine and all of a sudden the entire Empire is shattered. Churches are praying, food drives a collecting, local refugees they reacting.
Do you guys miss Trump? The next one's gonna be worse. telling ya
I was thinking this exact thing.
Oh, and also how important it is that the US and EU stick together. I think the whole thing with Trump pressuring NATO countries to spend more money or the US would withdraw was always a play to just get the other countries to spend more. I wasn't afraid the US would leave NATO. But it felt like Trump was withdrawing the country from the world scene and so another thing I was thinking was how if he had been in office for a second term, that trend would keep developing. But this just goes to show that the fight between democracy and tyranny is as prevalent as ever. The US and the EU are the two bastions of democracy so we need to stick together.
Oh, and also how important it is that the US and EU stick together. I think the whole thing with Trump pressuring NATO countries to spend more money or the US would withdraw was always a play to just get the other countries to spend more. I wasn't afraid the US would leave NATO. But it felt like Trump was withdrawing the country from the world scene and so another thing I was thinking was how if he had been in office for a second term, that trend would keep developing. But this just goes to show that the fight between democracy and tyranny is as prevalent as ever. The US and the EU are the two bastions of democracy so we need to stick together.
Not every disagreement is a conspiracy about fossil fuels. Your theories are too basic. The real problem is more complex and has been ongoing for the last 70 years...
If you share the same beliefs as Putin, then his invasions make sense. I'm not saying what we have in the West is perfect. But it's better than any other alternative that has been tried in history
Putin is a Kissinger buddy... I heard..
When both sides of the aisle in DC stands in solidarity against something... red flag.
They sure love to confuse us with complicated timelines and historical context that run into thousands of words, but lets not do that here;
“The primordial interest of the United States, over which for centuries we have fought wars– the First, the Second and Cold Wars– has been the relationship between Germany and Russia, because united there, they’re the only force that could threaten us. And to make sure that that doesn’t happen.” George Friedman
The Cold War started at Hiroshima and never ended.
When both sides of the aisle in DC stands in solidarity against something... red flag.
They sure love to confuse us with complicated timelines and historical context that run into thousands of words, but lets not do that here;
“The primordial interest of the United States, over which for centuries we have fought wars– the First, the Second and Cold Wars– has been the relationship between Germany and Russia, because united there, they’re the only force that could threaten us. And to make sure that that doesn’t happen.” George Friedman
The Cold War started at Hiroshima and never ended.
Speaking of conspiracy theories and theorists, I saw this: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/23/technology/duckduckgo-conspiracy-theories.html
I have noticed a huge uptick, especially on Reddit, in promoting DDG. Now it makes more sense. I'm sure some people are using it strictly for privacy reasons but I want to believe that a lot of Reddit that subscribes to r/conspiracy want their views validated. I never thought a search engine could be an echo chamber, although Google does de-list some content, especially piracy related stuff. I do use DDG to search "_____ torrent download" or something like that because Google really stifles those search results. It may not be so bad for torrents but certainly for direct download links of TV shows and movies, as well as third party streaming sites.
The Wolfowitz Doctrine highlighted the possible threat posed by a resurgent Russia.
"We continue to recognize that collectively the conventional forces of the states formerly comprising the Soviet Union retain the most military potential in all of Eurasia; and we do not dismiss the risks to stability in Europe from a nationalist backlash in Russia or efforts to reincorporate into Russia the newly independent republics of Ukraine, Belarus, and possibly others... We must, however, be mindful that democratic change in Russia is not irreversible, and that despite its current travails, Russia will remain the strongest military power in Eurasia and the only power in the world with the capability of destroying the United States."
This was removed from the April 16 release in favour of a more diplomatic approach.
"The U.S. has a significant stake in promoting democratic consolidation and peaceful relations between Russia, Ukraine and the other republics of the former Soviet Union."
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Who rules East Europe commands the Heartland;
who rules the Heartland commands the World-Island;
who rules the World-Island commands the world.
Halford John Mackinder
"We continue to recognize that collectively the conventional forces of the states formerly comprising the Soviet Union retain the most military potential in all of Eurasia; and we do not dismiss the risks to stability in Europe from a nationalist backlash in Russia or efforts to reincorporate into Russia the newly independent republics of Ukraine, Belarus, and possibly others... We must, however, be mindful that democratic change in Russia is not irreversible, and that despite its current travails, Russia will remain the strongest military power in Eurasia and the only power in the world with the capability of destroying the United States."
This was removed from the April 16 release in favour of a more diplomatic approach.
"The U.S. has a significant stake in promoting democratic consolidation and peaceful relations between Russia, Ukraine and the other republics of the former Soviet Union."
***
Who rules East Europe commands the Heartland;
who rules the Heartland commands the World-Island;
who rules the World-Island commands the world.
Halford John Mackinder
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I agree... I just don't know what democracy is anymore. Obviously, I value human ideas like justice, rights, morals - freedom to be who you want to be. But are those ideas really at stake with Russia "invading Ukraine" ?
West can stay in the west and be west. Hats off to the West but I think, and correct me if I'm wrong, this empire thing started when Britain was in the stone age!
A super simplified theory based on ideas of empire and resource extraction would be that the Arctic is melting and that opens up different ways to do those empiring and extracting. But who controls the empire? I don't know who's fighting who!
China is an economic powerhouse and deeply involved in Globalization. I know you're not promoting it but I find the sinophobia to be demented and manufactured - but you already know that! The average American, or people in the West for that matter, they have no idea the amount of industrial dominance China has. Their technological assimilation, sneaky or not, impressive. The amount of industrial and urban development - frightening! Their role, along with Russia, in Eurasian "development" - cemented.
Here's a conspiracy theory - deep state is real and they resemble an evil cult!
West can stay in the west and be west.
Hats off to the West but I think, and correct me if I'm wrong, this empire thing started when Britain was in the stone age!A super simplified theory based on ideas of empire and resource extraction would be that the Arctic is melting and that opens up different ways to do those empiring and extracting. But who controls the empire? I don't know who's fighting who!
China is an economic powerhouse and deeply involved in Globalization. I know you're not promoting it but I find the sinophobia to be demented and manufactured - but you already know that! The average American, or people in the West for that matter, they have no idea the amount of industrial dominance China has. Their technological assimilation, sneaky or not, impressive. The amount of industrial and urban development - frightening! Their role, along with Russia, in Eurasian "development" - cemented.
Here's a conspiracy theory - deep state is real and they resemble an evil cult!
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I would say, indirectly, yeah.
At the very baseline, it is at least at stake for the Ukrainian people. Russia is tolerant enough about people having their own ideas that it's not a huge problem on a day-to-day basis. But, take for example, the Russians that have been demonstrating against the war and detained by police in the thousands. It's just a typical example of the kind of authority you don't want ruling over you if you appreciate values like justice, rights, morals and freedom. Everything that happened in Georgia and Belarus in the last decade or two (I forget the years) is yet another example of Russian authority not respecting these values, nor even attempting to try and come off like they do.
Remember Alexei Navalny, the guy that was poisoned over in, what was it, England? That's now a political prisoner in Russia. It stands to reason that if Russia inserts a pro-Russian government in the Ukraine, then suddenly there's gonna be Russian "agents" in the country to oversee things. You can be damn sure they're not gonna put up with any insurgencies. So for the Ukranian people, as long as you're either pro Putin, or just the kind of person that's willing to put up and shut up, then it won't make a huge difference who sits in government. But there won't be elections. The Ukrainian people won't have an actual say in what future to realize as a country and a people. They will be forced to be a puppet for Russia, like Belarus is after Russia helped their corrupt president keep his slimy fingers on his position after losing the country's first democratic election. Side-note, but just look at their president sitting in with Putin during those weapons tests they were doing right before the invasion. Why is he even there lmao. I know Putin wants to look like he has allies, but c'mon, he might as well had sat there with Kim Jong-un.
One can only wonder about what will happen once the dust settles after this rodeo. "We" let Putin get away with Crimea, then Donbass, and now the whole country. That was after we accepted what happened in Georgia and Belarus. He has shown a willingness to come down on civilians to achieve his geopolitical goals, whatever they are. Seing him in the "war room" with the Belarusian president makes me think Putin wants a Eurasian "NATO". In any case, what's his next move? If Ukraine was friendly to the West and in talks with NATO, and still there were Russian saboteurs and infiltrators there, what happens when Ukraine practically becomes Russia? Will there then be infiltrators in Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania and Moldova? And what if Putin suddenly decides he's gonna take Moldova too? And then what? And then, then what? And so on.
The fact is, Putin has changed Russia's laws, making it possible for him to keep staying in power forever. There are "elections" that he always wins and then if you ask any Russian outside of Russia (and some times from within), they will say they didn't elect him. I'm guessing there's sharks even in Putin's waters, and that there's some kind of "club" of really rich Russians that keep each other in check. It makes sense that Putin is only allowed to stay in power because other powerful people there consider it beneficial. One can only speculate as to the actual specifics, but any variant of what I'm talking about still stinks when viewed through the lens of free democracy. It is the very thing we have fought time and again. The very definition of tyranny. Even just being nonchalant about it is closer to acceptance than condemnation. The US is safe in many ways. You guys are an island and nobody's gonna be dumn enough to come over there and try to take over the American continent. But the threat against principles like freedom and justice are as real today as they have been throughout the entire history of advanced civilization. We have not seen our last war, nor our last threat to life as we know it. When the time comes that good will have to fight evil again, things like how many people are on one side vs. the other, or how much people on one side believe in their cause, or how hard they're willing to fight for it, will actually matter for the outcome of the fight itself. To bring it back full circle, those of us that believe in these things must keep believing in them, and we must keep re-iterating them, and iterating upon them, and never think such a time will come that we can just take it easy and forget the fact that freedom will always be under threat from potential tyranny. This war is an aggressive attack by a corrupt tyrrant against a free people. It's not just some little thing. It is the principles of freedom, rights, justice and morals being literally shat upon right before our eyes.
At the very baseline, it is at least at stake for the Ukrainian people. Russia is tolerant enough about people having their own ideas that it's not a huge problem on a day-to-day basis. But, take for example, the Russians that have been demonstrating against the war and detained by police in the thousands. It's just a typical example of the kind of authority you don't want ruling over you if you appreciate values like justice, rights, morals and freedom. Everything that happened in Georgia and Belarus in the last decade or two (I forget the years) is yet another example of Russian authority not respecting these values, nor even attempting to try and come off like they do.
Remember Alexei Navalny, the guy that was poisoned over in, what was it, England? That's now a political prisoner in Russia. It stands to reason that if Russia inserts a pro-Russian government in the Ukraine, then suddenly there's gonna be Russian "agents" in the country to oversee things. You can be damn sure they're not gonna put up with any insurgencies. So for the Ukranian people, as long as you're either pro Putin, or just the kind of person that's willing to put up and shut up, then it won't make a huge difference who sits in government. But there won't be elections. The Ukrainian people won't have an actual say in what future to realize as a country and a people. They will be forced to be a puppet for Russia, like Belarus is after Russia helped their corrupt president keep his slimy fingers on his position after losing the country's first democratic election. Side-note, but just look at their president sitting in with Putin during those weapons tests they were doing right before the invasion. Why is he even there lmao. I know Putin wants to look like he has allies, but c'mon, he might as well had sat there with Kim Jong-un.
One can only wonder about what will happen once the dust settles after this rodeo. "We" let Putin get away with Crimea, then Donbass, and now the whole country. That was after we accepted what happened in Georgia and Belarus. He has shown a willingness to come down on civilians to achieve his geopolitical goals, whatever they are. Seing him in the "war room" with the Belarusian president makes me think Putin wants a Eurasian "NATO". In any case, what's his next move? If Ukraine was friendly to the West and in talks with NATO, and still there were Russian saboteurs and infiltrators there, what happens when Ukraine practically becomes Russia? Will there then be infiltrators in Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania and Moldova? And what if Putin suddenly decides he's gonna take Moldova too? And then what? And then, then what? And so on.
The fact is, Putin has changed Russia's laws, making it possible for him to keep staying in power forever. There are "elections" that he always wins and then if you ask any Russian outside of Russia (and some times from within), they will say they didn't elect him. I'm guessing there's sharks even in Putin's waters, and that there's some kind of "club" of really rich Russians that keep each other in check. It makes sense that Putin is only allowed to stay in power because other powerful people there consider it beneficial. One can only speculate as to the actual specifics, but any variant of what I'm talking about still stinks when viewed through the lens of free democracy. It is the very thing we have fought time and again. The very definition of tyranny. Even just being nonchalant about it is closer to acceptance than condemnation. The US is safe in many ways. You guys are an island and nobody's gonna be dumn enough to come over there and try to take over the American continent. But the threat against principles like freedom and justice are as real today as they have been throughout the entire history of advanced civilization. We have not seen our last war, nor our last threat to life as we know it. When the time comes that good will have to fight evil again, things like how many people are on one side vs. the other, or how much people on one side believe in their cause, or how hard they're willing to fight for it, will actually matter for the outcome of the fight itself. To bring it back full circle, those of us that believe in these things must keep believing in them, and we must keep re-iterating them, and iterating upon them, and never think such a time will come that we can just take it easy and forget the fact that freedom will always be under threat from potential tyranny. This war is an aggressive attack by a corrupt tyrrant against a free people. It's not just some little thing. It is the principles of freedom, rights, justice and morals being literally shat upon right before our eyes.
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Based on what I'm reading, Russia's military is really disorganized and laughable. They've hit the wrong places, gained control of places only to quickly lose control of them, and a lot of their troops are surrendering because they didn't know they were coming to Ukraine to actually start a war. Not sure what they thought they were being deployed for, but...
I saw some big companies take action. Apple shut down some of their services in Russia. There was a (fake) tweet saying PornHub had blocked traffic from Russia and instead showed a Ukrainian flag as a symbol of support. I also saw that chip makers were halting shipments to Russia as a result of sanctions placed against Russia.
Really strange that modern warfare is predominantly non-violent. It's isn't a bunch of bombs being dropped and instead these seem to be indirect shots fired by the rest of the world. Of course, there has been some violence from Russia's side and people have died but...I get the feeling this could have been a lot worse. Stark contrast to what I saw back in 2002 or 03 (sadly, I forgot) when the US went to war in Afghanistan and I woke up early in the morning to see encounters with the Taliban in the news.
I saw some big companies take action. Apple shut down some of their services in Russia. There was a (fake) tweet saying PornHub had blocked traffic from Russia and instead showed a Ukrainian flag as a symbol of support. I also saw that chip makers were halting shipments to Russia as a result of sanctions placed against Russia.
Really strange that modern warfare is predominantly non-violent. It's isn't a bunch of bombs being dropped and instead these seem to be indirect shots fired by the rest of the world. Of course, there has been some violence from Russia's side and people have died but...I get the feeling this could have been a lot worse. Stark contrast to what I saw back in 2002 or 03 (sadly, I forgot) when the US went to war in Afghanistan and I woke up early in the morning to see encounters with the Taliban in the news.
It's the biggest psyop we've seen. There are two opposing realities here.
Check out the uncut version of the Maidan massacre. Snipers on roofs taking out protesters - It's like WW2.
Who were the snipers? DC? Moscow? Ukrainians? Myabe the Chinese? Maybe it was Stepan Bandera!
It's got C.I.A's prints on it and; violent wanna-be Nazis are in fact there. Of course, the whole fucking clusterfuck in the Ukraine just tragically laughable.
I think this fella knows more than I do;
http://infobrics.org/post/35232/
For me, making sure the local chief of sheriff is not a whitesupremacist is about the length of democracy I have!
I think it's theater - keep us scared for the next one....
Check out the uncut version of the Maidan massacre. Snipers on roofs taking out protesters - It's like WW2.
Who were the snipers? DC? Moscow? Ukrainians? Myabe the Chinese? Maybe it was Stepan Bandera!
It's got C.I.A's prints on it and; violent wanna-be Nazis are in fact there. Of course, the whole fucking clusterfuck in the Ukraine just tragically laughable.
I think this fella knows more than I do;
http://infobrics.org/post/35232/
For me, making sure the local chief of sheriff is not a whitesupremacist is about the length of democracy I have!
I think it's theater - keep us scared for the next one....
West can stay in the west and be west. Hats off to the West but I think, and correct me if I'm wrong, this empire thing started when Britain was in the stone age!
A super simplified theory based on ideas of empire and resource extraction would be that the Arctic is melting and that opens up different ways to do those empiring and extracting. But who controls the empire? I don't know who's fighting who!
Hats off to the West but I think, and correct me if I'm wrong, this empire thing started when Britain was in the stone age!A super simplified theory based on ideas of empire and resource extraction would be that the Arctic is melting and that opens up different ways to do those empiring and extracting. But who controls the empire? I don't know who's fighting who!
Read a history book.... Many different groups conquered the world from Alexander The Great, Genghis Khan, The Romans. But we can't keep making excuses on current behaviour by using the past.
I've noticed that those who push conspiracy theories are losers. No offence. You've got a shit job. No friends. No gf. And why is that? Not because you're a piece of shit. Of course not. It's because the system is against you!
Listen.. if it's nuclear winter, we're better off dead than survive. If not, the shit show continues and the market crashes. Whatever.. people are late to the party with their call for human rights.
I too, used to believe that religious fanatics flew planes into buildings in NY because "they hate our freedom." Obviously those days are long gone.
Seriously, freedom? Ukrainian freedom fighters and Canadian Nazi truckers? Democracy? No.
The economy is going to kill us yall.
I too, used to believe that religious fanatics flew planes into buildings in NY because "they hate our freedom." Obviously those days are long gone.
Seriously, freedom? Ukrainian freedom fighters and Canadian Nazi truckers? Democracy? No.
The economy is going to kill us yall.
yo Getting all deep on me now!
The narrative and the scare tactics are strong and we're all at the mercy of the info given.
There's a common theme there. Just an example - we know why people wear masks, but we also know why people are hostile towards it (some of the hostility really mental...).
You have to work with the system, hard not to! My emphasis is on the careful examination of the situation, that is all. Not saying I'm right!
The narrative and the scare tactics are strong and we're all at the mercy of the info given.
There's a common theme there. Just an example - we know why people wear masks, but we also know why people are hostile towards it (some of the hostility really mental...).
You have to work with the system, hard not to! My emphasis is on the careful examination of the situation, that is all. Not saying I'm right!
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