Atheist kills mother whilst reciting Dawkins

[Shadows]

I didn't read all the bullshit seeing to how I didn't even bother coming into this thread till it was too late to respond to everyone.


Rappers talking about guns don't make people shoot people.

Eminem talking about picking up a pen, don't make me mispell my words.

lmfao and you guys talk of religious passages making someone kill someone?

It's widely known that people in general that do stupid mistakes pin it on what's around them, because the problem is NEVER them it's someone else.

Right? It's NOT the person, it's the passages he said!!! lols :lol:

Religious or not, if you look at the bible, and do some of the things it says:

Like cutting out more bad in your life, it will lead you to do more positivity....and that's the point of religion.

Swallow your pride, you enjoy life more.
Swallow your pride, your relationships are more likely to work.
Swallow your pride, by loving "GOD" more than your partner, THEN "Love your body."
When you love your body, you don't SLOTH around and become great....etc..

So whether "GOD" exists or not, the point of religion is to chill, while being motivated doing the shit you do.

Some religious people don't necessarily believe in "GOD" ... but look to "GOD" as LOVE.

 

[dilla]

I didn't read all the bullshit seeing to how I didn't even bother coming into this thread till it was too late to respond to everyone.


Rappers talking about guns don't make people shoot people.

Eminem talking about picking up a pen, don't make me mispell my words.

lmfao and you guys talk of religious passages making someone kill someone?

It's widely known that people in general that do stupid mistakes pin it on what's around them, because the problem is NEVER them it's someone else.

Right? It's NOT the person, it's the passages he said!!! lols :lol:

Religious or not, if you look at the bible, and do some of the things it says:

Like cutting out more bad in your life, it will lead you to do more positivity....and that's the point of religion.

Swallow your pride, you enjoy life more.
Swallow your pride, your relationships are more likely to work.
Swallow your pride, by loving "GOD" more than your partner, THEN "Love your body."
When you love your body, you don't SLOTH around and become great....etc..

So whether "GOD" exists or not, the point of religion is to chill, while being motivated doing the shit you do.

Some religious people don't necessarily believe in "GOD" ... but look to "GOD" as LOVE.

Not all religions have a God either. People attack Christianity and then lump all religion into the aftermath that is the shitshow of atheism.

Not saying one is right or wrong, but each religion needs to be explored on an individual basis before you can say "all religion is bad." And I doubt people have done that. Most people, at least.

 

[Casey]

Not all religions have a God either.

I've always said that I have a certain amount of respect for Buddha, because he said himself that "the concept of a god originates from human fear".

So yes, when "religion" gets attacked, of course it's a blanket term that doesn't necessarily apply to every single religion. Just the major ones. But it's just semantics. People don't tend to think that anyone is referring to Buddhism when they say "fuck religion".

 

[dilla]

I've always said that I have a certain amount of respect for Buddha, because he said himself that "the concept of a god originates from human fear".

So yes, when "religion" gets attacked, of course it's a blanket term that doesn't necessarily apply to every single religion. Just the major ones. But it's just semantics. People don't tend to think that anyone is referring to Buddhism when they say "fuck religion".

I have never seen you say that about Buddha. Ever.

Hinduism is a major religion. The third largest. Followed by Buddhism. I think that makes them significant religions, if not as "major" as Islam and Christianity. So with this in mind, how can someone NOT think you're saying "fuck these religions too?"

Respecting Buddha and respecting Buddhism seems like it would be two different things. Like respecting Jesus or Mohammed but not necessarily Christianity or Islam. Or vice versa. But it's not. Since the religion is based off off of a former Hindu, with some minor changes, what exactly do you "respect" Buddha for but don't respect other religions for? Is it the fact that he is the idol of his own religion and the ideals of it? That, in turn, doesn't preach the idea of a God?

You seem to think that religion essentially believes in "magic" of some sort, or at least supernatural forces, whether it be God or some other things. You mentioned "Dave the magic lion" or something before. You realize Buddhism still maintains the "magical" Hindu aspect of karma and reincarnation, right? You understand you say that religion is for the weak or the ones in power to oppress other people, yet Siddartha, himself, respected and converted Brahmins and warriors, the upper class of the caste system, right? I don't know what he did to the lowers and untouchables, but he certainly favored the upper class.

So what exactly about Buddha, or Buddhism, do you "respect?"

 

[Casey]

I've said it on this forum at least three times.

And it is what it is. I'm not here to debate it. Nobody thinks I'm referring to Buddhism when I say "fuck religion". That's just a fact. They don't.

And I told you why I have some respect for Buddha. Yes, I said Buddha and not Buddhism. Why ask me again? I said it once. He openly said there was no god and the concept originated from fear. What else is there to say?

Karma is not "magical". It's obvious. Treat people like shit, people will treat you like shit. Treat people well, other people will generally treat you well. There's nothing magical about it.

Reincarnation is open to interpretation, in some ways. It can be a scientific belief. Allow me to explain. Energy never dies. Electric energy, for example the energy contained within life, doesn't die when a body dies. It simply moves on to something else. This is apparent within all forms of energy and it's taught in high school science class. We don't yet know enough about this, but we will, in time. It's something we're still learning about. But there's no scientific reason why energy that leaves a human body upon death could not ultimately end up in a new lifeform. As far as "magical" intepretations, no, I have no time for that. More or less, that's just people that want to believe in a concept but not understand it.

I don't much care for Siddharta's converting of people to his ways of thinking in the name of religion, but that doesn't mean that certain parts of his ways of thinking aren't necessarily worth discussing.

 

[dilla]

Nobody thinks I'm referring to Buddhism when I say "fuck religion". That's just a fact. They don't.

Do you have proof for this? They may not be thinking about Buddhism but they can certainly think of another religion being encompassed in this "blanket" that isn't a major religion.

I don't much care for Siddharta's converting of people to his ways of thinking in the name of religion, but that doesn't mean that certain parts of his ways of thinking aren't necessarily worth discussing.

Why don't you feel the same way about Jesus? Or Mohammed? Or Krishna?


When you want to say religion is violent, you bring up the Crusades. Well, Muslims put knives to the throats of people to convert them. There was an instance in England where Muslims posed as Sikh men to marry Sikh girls and trick them into converting into Islam.

We're going to overlook that?

And I told you why I have some respect for Buddha. Yes, I said Buddha and not Buddhism. Why ask me again? I said it once. He openly said there was no god and the concept originated from fear. What else is there to say?

Same question as above. Surely other religions have said at least ONE thing that you agree with. Why do you continue to shit on them?

 

[ARon]

Surely other religions have said at least ONE thing that you agree with. Why do you continue to shit on them?

Yup. For as much bullshit as most religions have there are good lessons to be learned in their books.

 

[Casey]

Do you have proof for this? They may not be thinking about Buddhism but they can certainly think of another religion being encompassed in this "blanket" that isn't a major religion.

What kind of proof are you looking for? Every single time I've had this debate, people respond by defending Christianity, Islam, etc. I'm only speaking from my own experience here.

Why don't you feel the same way about Jesus? Or Mohammed? Or Krishna?

Primarily because it seems that Christians, Muslims and to a lesser extent, Hindu's (please note that I feel I can't be objective about Hinduism given my own family) tend to pick and choose, and re-interpret to suit their own agenda. Secondly, because the agenda there (again to a lesser extent in Hinduism) is to force people to believe in some sort of bullshit all powerful figure that controls shit and is gonna judge you for what you do. Fuck that. I've NEVER encountered that from anyone that follows the advice of Buddha. Again, just speaking from my own experience here.

When you want to say religion is violent, you bring up the Crusades. Well, Muslims put knives to the throats of people to convert them. There was an instance in England where Muslims posed as Sikh men to marry Sikh girls and trick them into converting into Islam.

We're going to overlook that?

I'm not overlooking that. If I didn't bring up examples like that of Islam before (although I'm positive that I have), it's because I felt I didn't need to. Everyone's aware of that shit and I hate it just as much as anyone. I don't condone violence or conversion to any religion, in any form. Fuck all of that shit.

Same question as above. Surely other religions have said at least ONE thing that you agree with. Why do you continue to shit on them?

The key difference is that everything I've found in any religion that I agree with, is common fucking sense. If I agree with them, it's because --> I <--- think that that thing was right, regardless of it's source or where it came from. Many people of religious backgrounds agree with those things because of the source, and that's bullshit to me. Those are the same people that think atheists have no morality because we don't believe in a god. But that's obviously a crock of shit. I don't need a god or a book to have morals or be a decent human being. And quite honestly, if the majority of people on earth are THAT fucking stupid that they do? Fuck 'em and whatever bullshit they believe. Hell, I oughta start my own religion. As L Ron Hubbard (the founder of Scientology) said - "the best way to make money on this planet is to start your own religion". Look at the shit he started. Seems like he was right. Yet, every day, more and more gullible idiots quite literally buy into it.

 

[Pittsey]

A question to the atheist side of this board.

What would you say to a kid who just lost his mother? Would you tell him, she's gone and fuck it, she's no longer here, it's the end. Or would you say she's in heaven or something similar?

I was watching the news today where 2 kids lost their mum. The Auntie told them she was the brightest star in the sky. And if my son lost his mum I wouldn't be telling him the harsh truth of life, but encouraging him to believe she was with him always.

 

[Shadows]

^The scientific answer would be to tell the kid that the energy of the mom is SOMEHWERE in this world.

 

[Shadows]

So, in other words....

Atheist have problems with weak minded people, not exactly religion itself...?

 

[ARon]

A question to the atheist side of this board.

What would you say to a kid who just lost his mother? Would you tell him, she's gone and fuck it, she's no longer here, it's the end. Or would you say she's in heaven or something similar?

I was watching the news today where 2 kids lost their mum. The Auntie told them she was the brightest star in the sky. And if my son lost his mum I wouldn't be telling him the harsh truth of life, but encouraging him to believe she was with him always.

my girlfriend just lost a close friend and she comes to me for support and it sucks. When my friends died i was like fuck but there in nothing to say or do. she calls me a robot and says i dont understand cus i have little emotion, or show it at least. I sort of told her you have to find how to deal with death personally, it's something everyone goes through inside themselves blah blah blah, basically it sucks. I'd hate having to do that with a little kid

 

[Ristol]

A question to the atheist side of this board.

What would you say to a kid who just lost his mother? Would you tell him, she's gone and fuck it, she's no longer here, it's the end. Or would you say she's in heaven or something similar?

I was watching the news today where 2 kids lost their mum. The Auntie told them she was the brightest star in the sky. And if my son lost his mum I wouldn't be telling him the harsh truth of life, but encouraging him to believe she was with him always.

Just to play atheist's advocate for a minute: while telling the kids that their mother still exists may provide some measure of relief, it doesn't help. How could that help? If anything, it's worse that their mother would be somewhere else, living and walking/floating around without them. That would certainly make me feel worse. Atheists (in my experience) readily admit that religion provides consolation. What they're after--and I'm not one of them--is the truth.

But I could really give a shit.

 

[ill-matic]

Same old recycled shit over and over again

 

[S O F I]

So, in other words....

Atheist have problems with weak minded people, not exactly religion itself...?

No. Mainly religion, and rightfully so.

 

[S O F I]

What would you say to a kid who just lost his mother? Would you tell him, she's gone and fuck it, she's no longer here, it's the end. Or would you say she's in heaven or something similar?

I was watching the news today where 2 kids lost their mum. The Auntie told them she was the brightest star in the sky. And if my son lost his mum I wouldn't be telling him the harsh truth of life, but encouraging him to believe she was with him always.

I would tell a kid who lost his tooth that the tooth fairy took it away. Come Christmas day, I would tell him that santa brought the presents. I'm not being facetious, I'm dead serious. We tell children lies all the time when they're young because, I don't know, it makes life more imaginative and beautiful for them. As the kid keeps growing up, he or she will realize that santa and the tooth fairy don't exist. But the world won't shatter for them. It will for half a day, a day maybe. But the kid won't commit suicide because you'll comfort the kid when realization hits. In a similar fashion, when the kid is old enough, you can tell him that religious people believe this and that, atheists believe this and that, and then you tell him what you believe (that she's no longer here, the end) and have the kid decide for himself/herself. But you comfort the kid that even though the mother is gone, you're there for him/her.

 

[Casey]

I wouldn't bullshit my kids in that situation. Life is hard. The only way is to be strong, accept that shit happens, and move on. That's what I did.

 

[Jokerman]

I'd tell the kid his Mom is now with the Buddha.

 

[Pittsey]

^The scientific answer would be to tell the kid that the energy of the mom is SOMEHWERE in this world.

This is something I could say.

my girlfriend just lost a close friend and she comes to me for support and it sucks. When my friends died i was like fuck but there in nothing to say or do. she calls me a robot and says i dont understand cus i have little emotion, or show it at least. I sort of told her you have to find how to deal with death personally, it's something everyone goes through inside themselves blah blah blah, basically it sucks. I'd hate having to do that with a little kid

I wouldn't tell someone around my age there's a heaven. That's on them. I would provide emotional support, and keep my opinions to myself. There's no point in telling someone who lost someone there's no heaven or god by the way. That's obnoxious and cold.

Just to play atheist's advocate for a minute: while telling the kids that their mother still exists may provide some measure of relief, it doesn't help. How could that help? If anything, it's worse that their mother would be somewhere else, living and walking/floating around without them. That would certainly make me feel worse. Atheists (in my experience) readily admit that religion provides consolation. What they're after--and I'm not one of them--is the truth.

But I could really give a shit.

You don't think it would help? I personally think it would be reassuring to think that your mother's "soul" was still around and was able to monitor you, but not communicate. I think it's the hopelessness of death that man has issue with, hence why religion exists.


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I would tell a kid who lost his tooth that the tooth fairy took it away. Come Christmas day, I would tell him that santa brought the presents. I'm not being facetious, I'm dead serious. We tell children lies all the time when they're young because, I don't know, it makes life more imaginative and beautiful for them. As the kid keeps growing up, he or she will realize that santa and the tooth fairy don't exist. But the world won't shatter for them. It will for half a day, a day maybe. But the kid won't commit suicide because you'll comfort the kid when realization hits. In a similar fashion, when the kid is old enough, you can tell him that religious people believe this and that, atheists believe this and that, and then you tell him what you believe (that she's no longer here, the end) and have the kid decide for himself/herself. But you comfort the kid that even though the mother is gone, you're there for him/her.

I agree. Do the Atheists on here spoil Christmas for their kids too? It's also a quest for truth, is it not?

I also allow my son to believe in Santa. Because it's fun.

I wouldn't bullshit my kids in that situation. Life is hard. The only way is to be strong, accept that shit happens, and move on. That's what I did.

I can imagine the joy in your house with your kids..... My son is 3. I don't think now is the time to tell him about all the miserable shit life has to offer. I would prefer to keep him innocent and happy for a few more years yet. If he lost his mum, I would probably go with something along the lines Shadows offered. I don't want to bullshit him, but I don't want him to lose his joy either. Death is obviously an issue I will have to deal with. But there's a time and place.

 

[Duke]

There's a gaping chasm of difference between telling children about Christmas or Easter and adults believing in pie in the sky.

The difference is so great, my penis can't even cross it, and you lot should REALLY stop banging on about it now. It all stopped making much sense two pages ago.