Forget what you heard, Better Dayz is a CLASSIC
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My opinion of Better Dayz hasn't changed since day one. Check around the internet, alot of people left good reviews for Better Dayz when it first came out. (amazon.com, cduniverse, allmusic.com).
My opinion of UTEOT has always been average-above average album, too many remixes, I call it the phantom of the opera cd, because they were too dramatic on some of the beats. Definitely not classic or close to it, but acceptable.
The beat is hard hitting and keeps intensity from start to finish. Your opinion, though.
This is debateable, I never liked T.I.'s verse about escalades,etc, but the hook is bearable (the least of my problems with this song).
"Changed man, but still the same old problems..... Slanging new dope to the world...."
THe hook basically is saying he's changed, and he's selling something new(dope (as a metaphor)) to the world.
I think this is like something Danny Boy would do.
Boy, you really pissed at Noble. The song is so hard hitting that I think Noble's chorus blends in with the electric guitar pretty well and isnt a factor to me, considering Pac's voice is heavy also, and Pac is pretty much yelling on this track himself.
I don't like the gimmicky rattling bag sound, but if that was removed I would really like it. It has a East coast sampling feel, mixed in with spanish guitar to change up the pace.
Damn, you just won't give anything a chance that isn't strictly OG. I'm about preserving shit too, but damn, some change is good.
No complaints here. Accept I don't think it's generic. The original is more generic (It just loops over and over...never changes) Its a good beat, but just listen to the OG and tune out the lyrics, the looping beat gets boring quick as it doesn't change up at all.
It's different. The beat works though, and i like the fact it gives diversity to the album. Also the beat has subtle changes, that are interesting if you listen closely. It changes the beat where the(horn)lands on every couple of bars. Damn, i agree too much Noble is not good, but he's only on 2hooks on the whole album.
What is it that you don't like. The Jazze intro? I just have a hard time shooting down a track without a real reason, let alone calling it the worst since his death. Tell me what uptempo songs on AEOM that don't have a similar feel. Unless you don't like those either.
Damn, this is my favorite track on the album. Considering it's not a remix, and that Pac actually wrote it alongside Nuttso, i figured you'd like this one. ??????
I agree about the cursing mixed with kids singing, i always laugh at how he says represent the muthafuckin block in a soft tone, right after you've heard these kids on the song.
Again, your opinion, i respect that. I just feel this song is in the style of the songs like Thug Passion, How Do U Want It, Whatz Ya Phone#, if you don't like those songs, which have people other than Pac singing the hooks, then i can see your concerns.
How can you say the remix is soft. That shit is brainwashing type shit and then explodes at the end.
The original just loops over and over and doesn't switch throughout the song, it just sounds like someone laid a simple beat/did a drum-kick and thats it. (just enough for Pac to spit on). Fact is, some of the OGs just sound unfinished, and people have gotten so used to an OG beat that they won't accept anything that's not OG. Some OGs should not be touched, but ones that just have a repeating drum kick/base line, which there are too many to count, are obviously in need of updating.
Again, the OG has a beat that just loops over and over. It doesn't change up or do anything. Try listening to the OGs and ignore the lyrics. Just tune out the lyrics and listen to how the beat sounds repetitive and doesn't go anywhere, just loops as if it was put there by someone in the studio, just to help Pac rap over.
I actually think Jazze Pha does decent hooks on this album.
"There you there you go acting like a ho, acting like a ho....."
Remember a similar chorus, "Every other city we go, every other video, no matter where I go, I see the same ho....."
I'm starting to think you don't like any smooth, uptempo songs, only war shit. Which would probably eliminate the party type songs on AEOM.
Man the original is another looped, repetitive, one-dimensional beat. It's street shit, and hard hitting, but the new beat has more dimension to it and works to make Pac sound like he's here in 2002 rapping about his life from the grave. I hate having to listen to tracks that sound unfinished when i can get a fuller beat that keeps Pac alive album after album, it allows him to age with us, which i think he would have wanted.
I can't believe you say that. But hey, that's your opinion. I can listen to BetterDayz almost straight through, except Mya song.
Best Posthumous releases
1) (RUSD & S.I.R.) tied.... 2) BetterDayz....
My opinion of UTEOT has always been average-above average album, too many remixes, I call it the phantom of the opera cd, because they were too dramatic on some of the beats. Definitely not classic or close to it, but acceptable.
The beat is hard hitting and keeps intensity from start to finish. Your opinion, though.
This is debateable, I never liked T.I.'s verse about escalades,etc, but the hook is bearable (the least of my problems with this song).
"Changed man, but still the same old problems..... Slanging new dope to the world...."
THe hook basically is saying he's changed, and he's selling something new(dope (as a metaphor)) to the world.
I think this is like something Danny Boy would do.
Boy, you really pissed at Noble. The song is so hard hitting that I think Noble's chorus blends in with the electric guitar pretty well and isnt a factor to me, considering Pac's voice is heavy also, and Pac is pretty much yelling on this track himself.
I don't like the gimmicky rattling bag sound, but if that was removed I would really like it. It has a East coast sampling feel, mixed in with spanish guitar to change up the pace.
Damn, you just won't give anything a chance that isn't strictly OG. I'm about preserving shit too, but damn, some change is good.
No complaints here. Accept I don't think it's generic. The original is more generic (It just loops over and over...never changes) Its a good beat, but just listen to the OG and tune out the lyrics, the looping beat gets boring quick as it doesn't change up at all.
It's different. The beat works though, and i like the fact it gives diversity to the album. Also the beat has subtle changes, that are interesting if you listen closely. It changes the beat where the(horn)lands on every couple of bars. Damn, i agree too much Noble is not good, but he's only on 2hooks on the whole album.
What is it that you don't like. The Jazze intro? I just have a hard time shooting down a track without a real reason, let alone calling it the worst since his death. Tell me what uptempo songs on AEOM that don't have a similar feel. Unless you don't like those either.
Damn, this is my favorite track on the album. Considering it's not a remix, and that Pac actually wrote it alongside Nuttso, i figured you'd like this one. ??????
I agree about the cursing mixed with kids singing, i always laugh at how he says represent the muthafuckin block in a soft tone, right after you've heard these kids on the song.
Again, your opinion, i respect that. I just feel this song is in the style of the songs like Thug Passion, How Do U Want It, Whatz Ya Phone#, if you don't like those songs, which have people other than Pac singing the hooks, then i can see your concerns.
How can you say the remix is soft. That shit is brainwashing type shit and then explodes at the end.
The original just loops over and over and doesn't switch throughout the song, it just sounds like someone laid a simple beat/did a drum-kick and thats it. (just enough for Pac to spit on). Fact is, some of the OGs just sound unfinished, and people have gotten so used to an OG beat that they won't accept anything that's not OG. Some OGs should not be touched, but ones that just have a repeating drum kick/base line, which there are too many to count, are obviously in need of updating.
Again, the OG has a beat that just loops over and over. It doesn't change up or do anything. Try listening to the OGs and ignore the lyrics. Just tune out the lyrics and listen to how the beat sounds repetitive and doesn't go anywhere, just loops as if it was put there by someone in the studio, just to help Pac rap over.
I actually think Jazze Pha does decent hooks on this album.
"There you there you go acting like a ho, acting like a ho....."
Remember a similar chorus, "Every other city we go, every other video, no matter where I go, I see the same ho....."
I'm starting to think you don't like any smooth, uptempo songs, only war shit. Which would probably eliminate the party type songs on AEOM.
Man the original is another looped, repetitive, one-dimensional beat. It's street shit, and hard hitting, but the new beat has more dimension to it and works to make Pac sound like he's here in 2002 rapping about his life from the grave. I hate having to listen to tracks that sound unfinished when i can get a fuller beat that keeps Pac alive album after album, it allows him to age with us, which i think he would have wanted.
I can't believe you say that. But hey, that's your opinion. I can listen to BetterDayz almost straight through, except Mya song.
Best Posthumous releases
1) (RUSD & S.I.R.) tied.... 2) BetterDayz....
Thanks for your opinions. I would geniunely care about them if I had you in mind when I said that. I didn't. You've been registered for over 2 years but the only posts I've read of yours were the one's from when Loyal to the Game was released (99.9 percent of them I agreed with, for whatever that's worth).
I remember when UTEOT and BD came out, they didn't get the stamp of approval they do now, and that's what I was refering to.
Right.
Yeah, very deep.
I think his voice is annoying, and he get's on my nerves.
I think this track deserved a more laid-back, thoughtful type of beat to match the vocals. The beat it's self is pretty nice, but again, the it just doesn't fit the subject.
No. I said it was one of the best tracks on the album, what else do you want me to say about it? I said, "until the original leaks" with the possibility that 2pac had finished that track and it was an amazing one. Imagine if Words to my First Born original had never leaked, and all we got was the DJ Quik remix, I would've said that same thing, that it was a nice track, but I bet'cha the original is something special. That's all.
Just because you don't actually hear a change take place, like the released version during the start of the chorus, doesn't mean it's generic. That's one of the more complex/detailed unreleased productions I've heard. The only thing that sounds off is the mastering. The released is more generic because it's not something that's very original.
The beat sucks, and it's your typical trashy 5 minute production of today. I could give a fuck about some subtle changes here and there. Maybe they spent 10 minutes on it.
Because first of all, it's just a basic fuck song in the first place. You add some clown talking in the song over it and it degrades it even more, then you have some just bland production and it's complete trash. There's nothing really meaningful in it, but at least the the original was pretty dope (and used a sample of one of my all time favorite beats :thumb
I don't see the AEOM comparison, at all. Other than the fact the beat's are commerical appealing.
Yeah, because in your mind I'm a "dickriding" original freak, huh? Keep stereotyping.
Do you, really? Or are you just giving me giving me all the cliche bullshit because you don't think I know better?. "Your opinion, my opinion, respect that." Shut the fuck up. Thanks. Can you respect that?
I don't care if it was a simple loop or not, it was effective.
OK, so this whole time you've been comparing the released to the originals in terms of how much they were completed? Who gives a fuck? That Catchin' Feelins original beat is classic, loop or not. Just like Secretz of War. I can't believe someone is actually sticking up for the piece of shit version they released. Come on, man.
Did I say Nate had the most creative chorus on All Bout U? Even though his wasn't, it's still better than Pha's shitty attempt. Nate's was at least catchy, while his just ruined the song.
And no, my favorite tracks are "smooth, uptempo songs." Off AEOM, Check out Time has always been a favorite of mine, Only God Can Judge Me, Holla at Me etc.
The original is not a loop, stop generalizing for a second, and actually listen to the shit. It changes up during each verse/hook, and has crazy bass hits.
Even if it were a loop, it kicks the fuck out of that pussy shit they released. Not to mention each guest appearence had an above average verse, at the very least. That cannot be said for the pitiful Outlawz on the released.
You know what's a loop? Reading your bullshit over and over. I'm Done.
I can't believe you say that. But hey, that's your opinion. I can listen to BetterDayz almost straight through, except Mya song.
Best Posthumous releases
1) (RUSD & S.I.R.) tied.... 2) BetterDayz....
I remember when UTEOT and BD came out, they didn't get the stamp of approval they do now, and that's what I was refering to.
Right.
Yeah, very deep.
I think his voice is annoying, and he get's on my nerves.
I think this track deserved a more laid-back, thoughtful type of beat to match the vocals. The beat it's self is pretty nice, but again, the it just doesn't fit the subject.
No. I said it was one of the best tracks on the album, what else do you want me to say about it? I said, "until the original leaks" with the possibility that 2pac had finished that track and it was an amazing one. Imagine if Words to my First Born original had never leaked, and all we got was the DJ Quik remix, I would've said that same thing, that it was a nice track, but I bet'cha the original is something special. That's all.
Just because you don't actually hear a change take place, like the released version during the start of the chorus, doesn't mean it's generic. That's one of the more complex/detailed unreleased productions I've heard. The only thing that sounds off is the mastering. The released is more generic because it's not something that's very original.
The beat sucks, and it's your typical trashy 5 minute production of today. I could give a fuck about some subtle changes here and there. Maybe they spent 10 minutes on it.
Because first of all, it's just a basic fuck song in the first place. You add some clown talking in the song over it and it degrades it even more, then you have some just bland production and it's complete trash. There's nothing really meaningful in it, but at least the the original was pretty dope (and used a sample of one of my all time favorite beats :thumb
I don't see the AEOM comparison, at all. Other than the fact the beat's are commerical appealing.
Yeah, because in your mind I'm a "dickriding" original freak, huh? Keep stereotyping.
Do you, really? Or are you just giving me giving me all the cliche bullshit because you don't think I know better?. "Your opinion, my opinion, respect that." Shut the fuck up. Thanks. Can you respect that?
I don't care if it was a simple loop or not, it was effective.
OK, so this whole time you've been comparing the released to the originals in terms of how much they were completed? Who gives a fuck? That Catchin' Feelins original beat is classic, loop or not. Just like Secretz of War. I can't believe someone is actually sticking up for the piece of shit version they released. Come on, man.
Did I say Nate had the most creative chorus on All Bout U? Even though his wasn't, it's still better than Pha's shitty attempt. Nate's was at least catchy, while his just ruined the song.
And no, my favorite tracks are "smooth, uptempo songs." Off AEOM, Check out Time has always been a favorite of mine, Only God Can Judge Me, Holla at Me etc.
The original is not a loop, stop generalizing for a second, and actually listen to the shit. It changes up during each verse/hook, and has crazy bass hits.
Even if it were a loop, it kicks the fuck out of that pussy shit they released. Not to mention each guest appearence had an above average verse, at the very least. That cannot be said for the pitiful Outlawz on the released.
You know what's a loop? Reading your bullshit over and over. I'm Done.
I can't believe you say that. But hey, that's your opinion. I can listen to BetterDayz almost straight through, except Mya song.
Best Posthumous releases
1) (RUSD & S.I.R.) tied.... 2) BetterDayz....
Yeah, i kind of figured it was directed more at the people who jumped on the bandwagon after L2TG, but i didn't pay attention to whom it was posted by. Just was stating my point.
...looks at ceiling..
looks at ceiling again...
One thing i do know, is i can be professional about a debate, not tell someone to shut the fuck up while i'm behind a computer.
Whatever, though, it's not life or death...
I like the new Catchin Feelins. On a scale of 1-10 i'd give it a 7.5. the original, 7. The way you reference the album is like its the worst thing that ever happened.
lol. They're similar hooks. But you just bash anything the Pha has done on the album. And say it ruined a song, when it didn't.
Good picks.
Let's not get too hasty. Obviously i've hit a nerve, and for that i'm greatfully sorry.
Don't worry, you can have 3 scoops of ice cream instead of 2 next time at Baskin Robbins.
....Later
...looks at ceiling.. looks at ceiling again...One thing i do know, is i can be professional about a debate, not tell someone to shut the fuck up while i'm behind a computer.
Whatever, though, it's not life or death...
I like the new Catchin Feelins. On a scale of 1-10 i'd give it a 7.5. the original, 7. The way you reference the album is like its the worst thing that ever happened.
lol. They're similar hooks. But you just bash anything the Pha has done on the album. And say it ruined a song, when it didn't.
Good picks.
Let's not get too hasty. Obviously i've hit a nerve, and for that i'm greatfully sorry.
Don't worry, you can have 3 scoops of ice cream instead of 2 next time at Baskin Robbins.
....Later
What is there to be "professional" about when having a "debate" at a 2pac message board forum? It's like dressing up in a 10 thousand dollar suit and going to a carnival.
Oh and I'm really being an e-thug here by telling you to shut the fuck up.." "
Similar? How, because they both rhymed go/hoe?
Nice way of chosing what quotes you wanted to respond to, by the way.
Not really. But keep thinking that
Oh and I'm really being an e-thug here by telling you to shut the fuck up.."
"Similar? How, because they both rhymed go/hoe?
Nice way of chosing what quotes you wanted to respond to, by the way.
Not really. But keep thinking that
i aggree wit a lot MisterFuckACop said , he made a lot of good points.Life i lead is way better then the Og . Every1 i know bumped that song non stop .
U can call could of been a good song but the hook didnt fit or sound right. The fair Exhchange were songs 4 the girls man , poppish shyt every girl "loves that song with mia".
U can call could of been a good song but the hook didnt fit or sound right. The fair Exhchange were songs 4 the girls man , poppish shyt every girl "loves that song with mia".
ThaHeartless said:
just because an ever worse album : loyal to the game was released, doesn't make better dayz any better. I dont like the way people jump bandwagons, i bet some of you disliked better dayz before loyal to the game was released. I think this is a horrible album that has 4-5 GOOD remixes overall and I stick by that. Some of u idiots are just listing the songs and writing "classic" next to it: stupid. Also the guy who thought never b peace remix is better, HAHAHAAHAAHAAAA
Give me the definition of a homo plzz, caus i don't think you know what it means. As far as my opinion on Never be Peace, the song is fucking horrible and you can't even listen to that shit while some shit from Britney you can listen to even though you don't like it. Everything about Never be Peace is bad, production everything and Britney (for example) has songs with good production so that's why i used her as an example.
when reading some of the posts in this thread I nearly wet myself.
I agree totally with Heartless. the album is average with about 4 or 5 classic tracks. considering the quality of the OG's the album was murdered.
Half the people who posted in here sound like they are on Crack ------- Loyal To the Game better than Until The End Of Time ???????? LMAO
and the winner of the worst post ever award said ----- Better Dayz was better than All Eyez On Me --- LMFAO
I agree totally with Heartless. the album is average with about 4 or 5 classic tracks. considering the quality of the OG's the album was murdered.
Half the people who posted in here sound like they are on Crack ------- Loyal To the Game better than Until The End Of Time ???????? LMAO
and the winner of the worst post ever award said ----- Better Dayz was better than All Eyez On Me --- LMFAO
^^ Good point
But All Eyes on Me was Pacs come-back album, the album that puts him back at the centre of it all. Thats why it is considered a classic more so over Better Dayz and over almost every rap album ever released.
(And plus its got some banging beats, killer lyrics and a general vibe that makes you go "daaaaamn" -)
Better Dayz is a great album, i can listen to it all the way through without skipping too many tracks (never be peace being the main one - hate that beat)
All eyes on me came at a time when Pac had to re-invent himself and introduce himself all over again, this time with a new posse. So he had a lot riding on this album. Hence why he bugged Daz and Dre for there beats, he wanted to make sure AEOM was a instant hit, from the first listen he wanted people to know what he is capable of and that he's back!
Anyway fuck what everyone else thinks, a classic CD is not depicted on whether half the country likes it, you have to feel the album in your own way.
I can bump any album from Pac, but Loyal to the Game can go fuck off out my CD stack ! - Got no time for that shit, lifes too short!
But All Eyes on Me was Pacs come-back album, the album that puts him back at the centre of it all. Thats why it is considered a classic more so over Better Dayz and over almost every rap album ever released.
(And plus its got some banging beats, killer lyrics and a general vibe that makes you go "daaaaamn" -)
Better Dayz is a great album, i can listen to it all the way through without skipping too many tracks (never be peace being the main one - hate that beat)
All eyes on me came at a time when Pac had to re-invent himself and introduce himself all over again, this time with a new posse. So he had a lot riding on this album. Hence why he bugged Daz and Dre for there beats, he wanted to make sure AEOM was a instant hit, from the first listen he wanted people to know what he is capable of and that he's back!
Anyway fuck what everyone else thinks, a classic CD is not depicted on whether half the country likes it, you have to feel the album in your own way.
I can bump any album from Pac, but Loyal to the Game can go fuck off out my CD stack ! - Got no time for that shit, lifes too short!
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