First off, Eminem used a classic Tupac song as a diss song to somebody to say that THEY wanna be Pac.
Yeah, many people (including some very respected in here) thought that was extremely clevery by Em and I agree.
50 basically covered Pac's verse on there.
You're right, and it took away from the song greatly. I don't like 50 Cent, so don't think I'm "defending" him at all. I like a few of the verses I've heard from him (namely from We All Die One Day and Never Enough). But I think what Ja did was worse.
"Pain" is a great song, but its not a classic like Hail Mary.
I think A LOT of Pac fans would disagree with you. To the mainstream it's not a contest because most mainstream fans don't even know Pain exists. Where Hail Mary was one of the biggest hits released that year.
Most ordinary Pac fans that dont know about his unreleased shit (believe me, they exist) probably never heard Pain before, so Ja was basically givin them somethin new...
Do you really think hearing it from Ja is the equivalent of hearing it from Pac? I mean, to me, the way I read what you just typed above, that's the way I took it.
I don't give a fuck who you are, nobody can do a legendary song by a legendary artist as well as that artist.
without altering the beat at all. I'm not a Ja dickr"y"der at all, if you had read my posts in the past you would know that I had said several times that I don't like Ja and I'm not a fan of his music.
Fair enough.
But I will defend him over Eminem & G-Unit because they're the biggest hypocrites out there.And I didnt take your post wrong at all. You said Ja's version of "Pain" was whack and 50 doesnt ride Pacs dick half as much as Ja.
50 hasn't rode Pac's dick nearly as much as Ja. You know, I mean, seriously, if Ja is so great, then why hasn't Afeni chosen Ja to work on some Pac stuff? As a matter of fact, Obie raps a line on "Doe Rae Me":
"I know that Afeni Shakur doesn't enjoy Jeffrey Atkins re-enacting her boy/ so I'm click-clackin' the toy/mash and destroy/ Shady slash Aftermath and Detroit, motherfucker"
Now, I just have this little feeling that Obie wasn't talking shit on that first line. I'm sure that Eminem and probably Obie as well have had several talks with Afeni, and the whole thing about 2pac has probably come up. Em and Obie probably say the shit they do because they have Afeni's approval. Whether that is good or bad in your eyes, you need to accept the fact that it's true. I'm not completely happy with what the Eminem camp has done with Pac's recent work (though he was flawless on Resurrection IMO), I think Ja is worse.
You also mentioned you dont listen to 50 so you dont follow his career that much, so you OBVIOUSLY wouldnt know how much he really does ride Pac's dick...even more than Ja.
I've listened to about half of 50's music to make the decision that I don't like him. However, as with any artist out period, if an artist comes out with something new, I won't refuse to give it a chance because there are several artists out there that I only like a few songs from. I know 50's career pretty well, but I was basically saying that I am not a fan of his, I don't own any of his albums even though I've heard a good chunk of his material. Also, there are so many straight out 50 haters on this board that everytime he even remotely "bites" Pac or "rides his dick", people are talking about it here, and I don't see as much of that as I do Ja.