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Actually organic farms use pesticides as well as fertilizer. They don't use synthesized pesticides and fertilizer but it still kills bugs and organic material must be harvested to make that fertilizer. Everything comes at a cost no matter what we eat.
Norman Borlaug (a man who started the Green Revolution) said that a billion people would die from starvation if our agricultural system went organic simply because organic farming does not yield food consistently.
Norman Borlaug (a man who started the Green Revolution) said that a billion people would die from starvation if our agricultural system went organic simply because organic farming does not yield food consistently.
They've done samples here and its pretty funny. I can't remember what exactly it means to be oraganic but apparently there is a certain limit of something, call it x, and if you fall below say 1x you can be classified organic. Well all the fruit sold here as regular fruit has (1/10)x and can be classified organic, its just not. Shit is a such a scam, imo.
He's known as the father of the Green Revolution, and passed away 2 months ago at age 95. But there’s confusion among some about what the Green Revolution refers to. It has nothing to do with how the term "green" is used today, as in "go green" or “green technology.” Has nothing to do with tree-hugging environmentalists or vegetarians or conservationist living. It simply refers to the use of technologies used in the US to improve crop yield in Third World countries, starting in the 1940s. Stuff like pesticides, fertilizers, genetic manipulation. Basically, all the things green people today abhor. It helped improved yields in places like India and the Philippines and saved many from starving but… we’re talking Monsanto here. And there was nothing “green” about it. So saying he started the Green Revolution does not mean what it sounds like, if one doesn’t know better. To many environmentalists, what he was part of is the opposite of green.
It’s a controversial issue, like vaccines; with pros and cons. Organic farming does not yield food consistently as it is practiced at present by many. But I believe that’s because many organic farmers are not experts and don’t manage it well. If everyone did it the way the best ones do, it would yield food consistently. So what we need is better agronomy practices, not better chemicals and genetic manipulation. If we spent a fraction of the money we do on these technologies to educate and help farmers in organic production, it would be a different story.
Here’s the latest exposed lies from Monsanto.:
GMO Giant Monsanto Loses Another Day in Court
France`s highest court has ruled that Monsanto lied about the safety of its weed killing herbicide Roundup. The decision came just days ago and confirms an earlier court judgment in France finding that Monsanto had falsely advertised Roundup as being "biodegradable" and that it "left the soil clean."
The court levied a 13,800 Euro fine against the company (about $22,400USD). Monsanto is also looking at continued losses with fourth quarter losses of $233 million (US), mostly due to plummeting sales of the Roundup brand. So far, Monsanto has made no public statement about the court`s ruling, but it is also possible that the ruling could mean civil cases from farmers and communities harmed by the false advertising. That could mean millions of dollars more in losses.
Roundup is the world`s best-selling herbicide and is marketed as a weed-killer to both commercial farmers and home owners. Monsanto is also the world`s largest purveyor of genetically modified seeds (GMO seeds). Often, the seeds are sold in conjunction with Roundup, the seeds being modified to be "herbicide tolerant" (HT-ready).
Some have argued that these GM crops and seeds are worse for the environment and could be a real problem. Crop failures of GMO seeds in Africa have highlighted the lack of a crop diversity issue while other studies have found that GM versus non-GM seeds have little or no bearing on higher yields, as seed companies like Monsanto have claimed.
It’s a controversial issue, like vaccines; with pros and cons. Organic farming does not yield food consistently as it is practiced at present by many. But I believe that’s because many organic farmers are not experts and don’t manage it well. If everyone did it the way the best ones do, it would yield food consistently. So what we need is better agronomy practices, not better chemicals and genetic manipulation. If we spent a fraction of the money we do on these technologies to educate and help farmers in organic production, it would be a different story.
Here’s the latest exposed lies from Monsanto.:
GMO Giant Monsanto Loses Another Day in Court
France`s highest court has ruled that Monsanto lied about the safety of its weed killing herbicide Roundup. The decision came just days ago and confirms an earlier court judgment in France finding that Monsanto had falsely advertised Roundup as being "biodegradable" and that it "left the soil clean."
The court levied a 13,800 Euro fine against the company (about $22,400USD). Monsanto is also looking at continued losses with fourth quarter losses of $233 million (US), mostly due to plummeting sales of the Roundup brand. So far, Monsanto has made no public statement about the court`s ruling, but it is also possible that the ruling could mean civil cases from farmers and communities harmed by the false advertising. That could mean millions of dollars more in losses.
Roundup is the world`s best-selling herbicide and is marketed as a weed-killer to both commercial farmers and home owners. Monsanto is also the world`s largest purveyor of genetically modified seeds (GMO seeds). Often, the seeds are sold in conjunction with Roundup, the seeds being modified to be "herbicide tolerant" (HT-ready).
Some have argued that these GM crops and seeds are worse for the environment and could be a real problem. Crop failures of GMO seeds in Africa have highlighted the lack of a crop diversity issue while other studies have found that GM versus non-GM seeds have little or no bearing on higher yields, as seed companies like Monsanto have claimed.
You already knew this but here's the latest. This is why some of you find it so hard to change your diets.
Junk food as 'addictive as drugs' - Telegraph
Junk food is almost as addictive as heroin, scientists have found.
A diet of burgers, chips, sausages and cake will programme your brain into craving even more foods that are high in sugar, salt and fat, according to new research.
Over the years these junk foods can become a substitute for happiness and will lead bingers to become addicted.
The researchers believe it is one of the first studies to suggest brains may react in the same way to junk food as they do to drugs.
When researchers electronically stimulated the part of the brain that feels pleasure, they found that the rats on unlimited junk food needed more and more stimulation to register the same level of pleasure as the animals on healthier diets.
Also this:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...n-give-you-depression/articleshow/5188361.cms
Junk food diet can give you depression.
Junk food as 'addictive as drugs' - Telegraph
Junk food is almost as addictive as heroin, scientists have found.
A diet of burgers, chips, sausages and cake will programme your brain into craving even more foods that are high in sugar, salt and fat, according to new research.
Over the years these junk foods can become a substitute for happiness and will lead bingers to become addicted.
The researchers believe it is one of the first studies to suggest brains may react in the same way to junk food as they do to drugs.
When researchers electronically stimulated the part of the brain that feels pleasure, they found that the rats on unlimited junk food needed more and more stimulation to register the same level of pleasure as the animals on healthier diets.
Also this:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...n-give-you-depression/articleshow/5188361.cms
Junk food diet can give you depression.
I wasn't using the word "green" as enviromentally green, I was just using the name that was given. Monsanto had nothing to do with the original green revolution, it was funded by the Rockefeller Foundation and only used seeds that were cross-pollinated since genetically modified seeds weren't invented then. Environmentalist's can be critical about the program but millions if not billions of people were saved from starvation, something that environmentalists probably have never experienced in their lives.
But there are organic farmers who have just as much experience as other farmers, its the technology that allows normal farmers to have more yields. An organic farmer would have to use more pesticides to kill insects than other farmers who would use genetically modified crops which are resistant to insects.
Lets be fair here now, organic farmers aren't just a mom and pop operation owned by some hippies, its a multi-BILLION dollar industry in the US that is growing 10-15% a year. Maybe in a few years we'll see Horizon doing some shady things too.
But there are organic farmers who have just as much experience as other farmers, its the technology that allows normal farmers to have more yields. An organic farmer would have to use more pesticides to kill insects than other farmers who would use genetically modified crops which are resistant to insects.
Lets be fair here now, organic farmers aren't just a mom and pop operation owned by some hippies, its a multi-BILLION dollar industry in the US that is growing 10-15% a year. Maybe in a few years we'll see Horizon doing some shady things too.
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