Ok I give in.... no more meat...
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I don't eat a lot of fast food. And of course there are companies that treat their animals/future food in a horrible fashion. That makes it a good cause against those companies, not against the simple principle of eating meat itself.
I have nothing against vegetarians, I just hate veggy propaganda. I liken it to religious propaganda. "we're right and you're not".
I have nothing against vegetarians, I just hate veggy propaganda. I liken it to religious propaganda. "we're right and you're not".
You can't take the commercial food industry as a reason not to eat meat. Of course they treat the animals terribly and their meat is low grade. They are out for maximum profit. Getting rid of meat in your diet is not a good idea though. Don't eat at fast food restaurants anymore but go to a butcher and buy high grade meat and make it yourself.
i work in the food industry. one of the things i have noticed is that more and more restaurants in th UK are using and being supplied with Halal meat products such as chicken, it is becoming common practice now where restaurants that use fresh produce are turning to using Halal produce.
you don't have to stop eating chicken altogether, why not just only eat halal meat instead?
you don't have to stop eating chicken altogether, why not just only eat halal meat instead?
No, there's a difference. This is not about the refusal to accept facts. I'm willing to believe that a lot of animals are treated horribly, and that there's all sorts of bad stuff in such meat. Sure.
The difference is that maybe I don't give a big hoot about it.
Unless you want to come with ideas such as realistically growing enough vegetables to feed the world, which can be factually debated (and shot down), there's no discussion found in this exchange.
The difference is that maybe I don't give a big hoot about it.
Unless you want to come with ideas such as realistically growing enough vegetables to feed the world, which can be factually debated (and shot down), there's no discussion found in this exchange.
Just like religious people don't give a big hoot (what are we owls now) about all the arguments against their religion. If you say, "but science shows that can't be true," they might agree but it doesn't affect their belief. So why wouldn't someone give a hoot about their health and the suffering of innocent life? Sounds like a pretty vital issue to me. Because they have been "brainwashed" by the food industry and what they like. And so they can't give a hoot. Because to give a hoot would force them to confront the issues and make a change, or else live with a big contradiction that might ruin their appetite for the food they like. So the religious analogy is correct. People will do anything to avoid discomfort, which is what change is. They would rather die than be discomforted. And do. And so they don't give a hoot.
And those who do argue about religion or food, take to the arguments that contradict what most of science or common sense show, in order to not change and be discomforted. They're blinded to the truth. "Evolution hasn't been proven, there's no intermediate forms, you can't feed the world on vegetables, there's nothing wrong with meat without the chemicals, soy is not healthy, what about cruelty to vegetables and insects?" All non-arguments for those not brainwashed and grasping at straws.
And those who do argue about religion or food, take to the arguments that contradict what most of science or common sense show, in order to not change and be discomforted. They're blinded to the truth. "Evolution hasn't been proven, there's no intermediate forms, you can't feed the world on vegetables, there's nothing wrong with meat without the chemicals, soy is not healthy, what about cruelty to vegetables and insects?" All non-arguments for those not brainwashed and grasping at straws.
some might argue that these animals are being slaughtered anyway and one person refusing to eat meat/support such activity is going to prevent them from slaughtering more animals in the future.
they have probably been brought up in an environment (family setting) where eating meat is the norm and is therefore perhaps part of a routine or a regular thing; not irregular or occassional.#
this has been the case with me. my decision has not been to cut out meat entirely although i have cut down on the amount i eat. i do realise the good things and bad things about eating meat. however, when i talk about good and bad things about eating particular foods my thoughts are predominantly health related rather than about the morality.
moreover, as you begin to acknowledge the things that are done to get meat onto your dinner plate (i.e. slaughter by cruelty etc...) the morals begin to come into context.
to those who are totally against animal cruetly, have you ever ran after and scared off pigeons or washed a spider down the sink? thats just a bizarre example or two.
they have probably been brought up in an environment (family setting) where eating meat is the norm and is therefore perhaps part of a routine or a regular thing; not irregular or occassional.#
this has been the case with me. my decision has not been to cut out meat entirely although i have cut down on the amount i eat. i do realise the good things and bad things about eating meat. however, when i talk about good and bad things about eating particular foods my thoughts are predominantly health related rather than about the morality.
moreover, as you begin to acknowledge the things that are done to get meat onto your dinner plate (i.e. slaughter by cruelty etc...) the morals begin to come into context.
to those who are totally against animal cruetly, have you ever ran after and scared off pigeons or washed a spider down the sink? thats just a bizarre example or two.
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