To Jon and EVERYONE else, regarding what happened recently!!

[not really ken]

Why would a 29 year old man wanna get on the internet and bitch about some 'net-trippin' '. Even if this whole shit is about money OG, then i haven't seen at any point where there is a conditional charge being made by Jon or Rukas. All donations are voluntary!

Stop getting into the semantics of the situation. No one cares when it was purchased. bottom line is that this is the best 2pac community on the internet and if Jon makes alittle money in the meanwhile so what. Eventhough I don't think he is making any kind of money in a sly manner. Everything he charges for is a service which people can choose to buy or choose not to buy.

Now go have sex or change your kids diapers

 

[Cooper]

meh

 

[jaimie.uk fan]

al this shit totally confuses me ??? i dont know what the fuck is going on , but like its been said all donations are volantary !!

 

[Pittsey]

I'm not being immature Rukas. I'm just stating facts and your getting shaken up by it. Just because I am not easily persuaded by your argument doesn't mean I am being biased. How can I believe what you're telling me over what I know from personal experience. The site was not here in 1996. I know this for a FACT.

Let's settle this once and for all. Who here remembers the site in 1996? Who here remembers corrupt.simplenet.com? I know its probably hard to remember the exact date, but was corrupt.simplenet.com before or after 2Pac's death. If it was after, then obviously this site was't here in 1996 as suggested in the Site History page.

The commercialization of this site, I am open to discussion on. Although it does seem very clear that the site was sold. Another example, on the main page of this site talking about the recent hijacking: "The story goes back to 2000 when HitEmUp.com was approached by a company called MusicFans.com, an offshoot of BigShot Entertainment They were purchasing a network of the best fan sites on the net"

I mean, what the hell else does purchasing mean?

Anyways I dropped some facts here and you all can come to your own conclusion. Hopefully once I finish investigating some things, I will hit you guys up with some real big news.

But remember, "TRUST NOBODY"

Hell don't even trust me. Shit is real fucked up and something is going on. Alot more than what people want you to believe.

You obviously have some kind of problem with this forum. Otherwise you wouldn't try to poke holes in what is written on the front page. Rukus has already said there is more to the story, but he cannot reveal it yet due to the legal implecations. Is that your ploy, to get him to reveal the facts and jepodise the court action?
And if you are just an OG 2pac fan who has been around since 1995 and not infact part of the hacking group than why are you so keen on "investigating" and giving us "some real big news", your 29 for fucks sake don't you have anything better to do?
Even if Jon didn't have the site in 1996, which he did, what does that prove? Nothing. He still built this site up from nothing to what it is today, whether it was in 1996 or 1998 is irrelevant. And why argue over the word purchasing, who cares, if you have something to say then say it, so Rukus can discredit it, if you don't say nothing.
My opinion is that you are part of the hacking team who stole the site of Jon and who is now here trying to return the favour, at the end of the day you can't win, you don't have the connections nor do you have the important members of the 2pac community who spread info and inside knowledge. Because they will always follow Jon and Rukus.

 

[Cown]

This is total bullshit, realOG your a hypocrite. You keep insisting that Rukas is lying and not telling the truth, not answering you questions honestly… But what about you? Why should we believe you? You have no proof that you’ve been here since 95. Anyone could have read the “history” site and started making some shit up.
You’re the kind of person that accused Tupac of rape! That’s what you are… you say you’re a Pac fan but in reality you’re just an attention whore that has come here to stir up some shit cuz you’re depressed or bored or whatever they fuck you are. Who knows, you might even be the retard who hacked the page to begin with.

You’re 29 years old? Okay fair enough, but why in the hell would you bother coming to a board filled with youths that don’t really give a damn about your points and accusations. All they care about is talking about Pac and Hip-Hop in general, because here they are gathered with thousands of fans that share the same interests as they do. What gives you the right to come in here and start shit like this. If they want to donate money to the board in order to keep the board alive for 10 more years if necessary then let them. Don’t make a new user and sign in and start posting bullshit with no proof.

Peace

 

[Khaled]

I'm not being immature Rukas. I'm just stating facts and your getting shaken up by it. Just because I am not easily persuaded by your argument doesn't mean I am being biased. How can I believe what you're telling me over what I know from personal experience. The site was not here in 1996. I know this for a FACT.

Let's settle this once and for all. Who here remembers the site in 1996? Who here remembers corrupt.simplenet.com? I know its probably hard to remember the exact date, but was corrupt.simplenet.com before or after 2Pac's death. If it was after, then obviously this site was't here in 1996 as suggested in the Site History page.

The commercialization of this site, I am open to discussion on. Although it does seem very clear that the site was sold. Another example, on the main page of this site talking about the recent hijacking: "The story goes back to 2000 when HitEmUp.com was approached by a company called MusicFans.com, an offshoot of BigShot Entertainment They were purchasing a network of the best fan sites on the net"

I mean, what the hell else does purchasing mean?

Anyways I dropped some facts here and you all can come to your own conclusion. Hopefully once I finish investigating some things, I will hit you guys up with some real big news.

But remember, "TRUST NOBODY"

Hell don't even trust me. Shit is real fucked up and something is going on. Alot more than what people want you to believe.

u stated your facts and got your answers
what s your problem???

you claim u just wnted to point things out that seemed weird, but you re arguing like it's personal

 

[thug_militant]

A couple of points through the nonsense.

1 - Yes this site could of been around after 2pac died in 96, simply because he died in sept of 96 and there was still 3 months of that year left lol.

2 - I remember the site back then

3 - You said you never posted before but instead viewed, bullshit, for a long time on this board up until recently, you had to be a MEMBER to view the topics and the forum, if you came as a guest you couldnt see the topics let alone post in them, so bollox to you.

4 - Yawns, when's someone gonna post some good info about Tupac instead of argue all the time, I swear everytime I log on to this forum, which is'nt much, theres always an argument between board members, fighting, bickering, shits boring. Looks like the Tupac news is dying on us and hence the bickering at each other, 2pac fans, fighting each other funny shit.

 

[arcaneguardian]

ya, like 2 months ago you couldnt even see the forum chat if you didnt have an account. I was coming to the website for years for news but started dieing to see wut ppl were writing in the forum, so i joined. PS: what do u get as a VIP member?? =P

 

[Cooper]

avatar

 

[2pac4prez2004]

make peace not war....want beef? watch eastenders....

 

[-HowRare-]

What the fuck is wrong with being 29

 

[educk]

I was regulary viewing this site back in 96 when I was 15 and 16 years old. There were not many tupac websites at that time, but there were a few. As far as real og stating there was unreleased tupac music back in 96 I do not know if this is true or not. From my research about tupac's unreleased material it did not even hit anywhere on the internet until 1998. Likewise, in 96 it would have been hard to really download or posts unreleased music as slow as the net was 9 years ago. Oh and one more thing I do remember Jon posting news and material on Tupac's shooting and demise.

We should support Jon because in almost a decade this site as been up he as done nothing but support tupac legacy and give the fans a place to find out news, information, and really anything related to tupac and his music. I have spoken to Jon via email a few times and when I have the money I will donate to this site because this site is really the only true Tupac site that does the legend justice. Keep up the good work Jon!.

 

[Silleone]

this was done by the capatalist sociaty and george bush.

 

[Jon]

All of the sites history was written long after the fact and done to the best of my recollection. I do believe the domain was re-registered or renewed in August of 1998 and was originally purchased in August 1996, 1 month before his death. PacUp.com was up before us in 1995. Simplenet was registered in 1995, and was not shut down for mp3s, we did not have mp3s on the site until 1999. Simplenet was shut down for irc war, as it was not started as a Tupac site at all. It was for the Makaveli Script. It also had all kinds of hacking and cracking material.

Your questions about why on occasion the hijacker is redirecting the site to 2Pacboard.com is very legit, and I am wondering that myself.

We have made I believe $70 in legal donations, and I will put far more than that into legal fees. Should the donations not be used, they will be donated to charity. All contributions will be accounted for on the site, and anyone who has donated, and is not listed on the site, will be very aware.

When I set the forum up on MixtapeMp3.com I had it connect to the original database. I went to do an IP search to find the hijacker, and was greated with a posts table missing. I then discovered that the hijacker had database password information and was accessing the domain remotely in an attempt to delete it (luckily the database was huge and the post table probably took forever to delete). I quickly changed the password information and only the post and session database tables were deleted. Since they were deleted on the actual database, prior to back up, they were not recoverable.

I make money on the Internet through my credibility with my clients (http://www.websitecm.com/), not through HitEmUp.com. We did make enough money to cover server expenses with the ads, which I am no longer able to do, so I am in fact losing additional money as a result of this, which I do plan to recoupe in my lawsuit against the hijacker.

I did not sell the site for anywhere near 50,000-100,000, in fact I was never paid the money owed to me and the majority of the deal was a contract retainer to run the site after the fact, which was never done because the company went backrupt before they even completed purchased the site.

The dedicated server to run this site at www.ev1servers.net costs $279 monthly, plus $99 a month for server security, plus the forum had additionally gotten another server through www.theplanet.com for an equal price which I split with a client who hosts his site on it as well. You can't run a popular site on shared hosting so your obviously speaking from a place of unexperience.

Making remarks in regards to my lifestyle is humerous. Please do not act like you know me. While I appreciate your attentiveness and your your skeptical outlook, please acquire facts to form knowledge rather than use assumptions to form accusations.

 

[Tru Principle]

All of the sites history was written long after the fact and done to the best of my recollection. I do believe the domain was re-registered or renewed in August of 1998 and was originally purchased in August 1996, 1 month before his death. PacUp.com was up before us in 1995. Simplenet was registered in 1995, and was not shut down for mp3s, we did not have mp3s on the site until 1999. Simplenet was shut down for irc war, as it was not started as a Tupac site at all. It was for the Makaveli Script. It also had all kinds of hacking and cracking material.

Your questions about why on occasion the hijacker is redirecting the site to 2Pacboard.com is very legit, and I am wondering that myself.

We have made I believe $70 in legal donations, and I will put far more than that into legal fees. Should the donations not be used, they will be donated to charity. All contributions will be accounted for on the site, and anyone who has donated, and is not listed on the site, will be very aware.

When I set the forum up on MixtapeMp3.com I had it connect to the original database. I went to do an IP search to find the hijacker, and was greated with a posts table missing. I then discovered that the hijacker had database password information and was accessing the domain remotely in an attempt to delete it (luckily the database was huge and the post table probably took forever to delete). I quickly changed the password information and only the post and session database tables were deleted. Since they were deleted on the actual database, prior to back up, they were not recoverable.

I make money on the Internet through my credibility with my clients (http://www.websitecm.com/), not through HitEmUp.com. We did make enough money to cover server expenses with the ads, which I am no longer able to do, so I am in fact losing additional money as a result of this, which I do plan to recoupe in my lawsuit against the hijacker.

I did not sell the site for anywhere near 50,000-100,000, in fact I was never paid the money owed to me and the majority of the deal was a contract retainer to run the site after the fact, which was never done because the company went backrupt before they even completed purchased the site.

The dedicated server to run this site at www.ev1servers.net costs $279 monthly, plus $99 a month for server security, plus the forum had additionally gotten another server through www.theplanet.com for an equal price which I split with a client who hosts his site on it as well. You can't run a popular site on shared hosting so your obviously speaking from a place of unexperience.

Making remarks in regards to my lifestyle is humerous. Please do not act like you know me. While I appreciate your attentiveness and your your skeptical outlook, please acquire facts to form knowledge rather than use assumptions to form accusations.

Real talk! now you can run back and let us enjoy this site and if we feel that we want to contribute money to the site; we have the right to. This has become more then a forum, it's a chance for Tupac fans worldwide to get the latest news and be able to debate things from did Pac survive the 96 shootin' to getting the rarest songs to getting advise on relationships etc..l. So if you have a problem with how we run things here, then I suggest you get the hecc out...

 

[Tru Principle]

A couple of points through the nonsense.

1 - Yes this site could of been around after 2pac died in 96, simply because he died in sept of 96 and there was still 3 months of that year left lol.

2 - I remember the site back then

3 - You said you never posted before but instead viewed, bullshit, for a long time on this board up until recently, you had to be a MEMBER to view the topics and the forum, if you came as a guest you couldnt see the topics let alone post in them, so bollox to you.

4 - Yawns, when's someone gonna post some good info about Tupac instead of argue all the time, I swear everytime I log on to this forum, which is'nt much, theres always an argument between board members, fighting, bickering, shits boring. Looks like the Tupac news is dying on us and hence the bickering at each other, 2pac fans, fighting each other funny shit.

intresting points.

 

[ApacalypseNow]

I've been viewing this site since 98, and i think the people who post here are a big part of building the site up, such as Jon and other owners did. I personally love this site, its a great place to exchange knowledge and views. If Jon is smoking a fat blunt over all this such as realOG says, who has 6 posts btw, then smoke one for me and keep this site up, I'll keep supporting it as long as it lives. Let no man separate what we create!!!!!

 

[realOG]

Okay so Jon cleared up some stuff. But shit still doesn't make sense and I am sure something is up.

I know for a fact that this site wasn't here in 1996 and yes I did type www.hitemup.com at that time. And no I did not keep typing it everyday. I knew it moved to hitemup.com because there was this 2Pac top sites list at www.2pac.com that had a link to hitemup.com. The reason the specific dates would be relevant is because it would demonstrate Jon is a liar. But like he suggests maybe his recollection is just bad.

Also Jon cleared up some stuff about the database posts but why wasn't this explained before or maybe it was just made up now? I don't know. I still know the whole situation is seriously illogical. And I still think a lot of my points can only lead to one reasonable conclusion: this site was manipulated to establish a false pretense of a hacking to "softly" force the board members into donating money to Jon.

Also, another thing I just realized that doesn't make sense is the lawsuit in general. I mean you said the company responsible went bankrupt. How can you sue a bankrupt company? For the money they don't have?

Another thing that doesn't make sense is that if you pay $99 a month for security, then don't they have any liability? Shouldn't you be able to hold those security people accountable for this database hacking you are now claiming happened? They probably have money (from charging you the $99

One last somewhat unrelated idea. So corrupt.simplenet.com was shut down for hacking and IRC war tools. And I do remember a lot of IRC and hacking stuff along with the MP3s. Wouldn't that be hilarious if the guy is using the hacking tools he downloaded from that site? Anyway Jon, you used to be a hacker? Maybe its an old hacker buddy or rival? Or maybe its revenge from someone you hacked before. Some buck that you ruffed up way back, coming back after all these years, RAT TAT TAT! That's the way it is!

 

[Jon]

You'll see at the end of the month when I post donation totals, that this is not a method of making money. We've had about $105 in donations and $50 of that came from Sicc. Our ad revenue we are now losing is 3 times that.

As I said, all donations will be made public so everyone will know what was obtained, and should a check be written to a charity it will be made publically viewable also.

That being said your entire argument is null and void, however for curiosity sake I will continue.

The server from ev1 is not secure by default, so it has the $99 security package with an external company. The server from totalplanet.com was supposed to have security installed, and while they do software upgrades etc. apparently they don't do firewalls and extended security. For that reason they didn't block external mysql connections (which a real security company would have) and tewpac (the hijacker) setup the forum on his server, and using the database IP address of my server and login/pass he somehow downloaded from ftp, was able to manipulate it. I now have the external server company in charge of security on both servers. Since the method used was not covered by the totalplanet security policies I have no grounds to sue them, and even if I did the amount recovered simply for the posts lost would not be worth the effort and legal fees, of more concern is the domain name which is an issue with network solutions.

I will not be filing a lawsuit against a bankrupt company, I will be doing so against tewpac who was also a defendant in a lawsuit by Amaru for alleyezonme.com.

I was never a hacker, I was an irc kiddie who reeked havoc on the net as a hobby As stated above, we do know who is responsible we are just unsure of all of the details.

 

[Pittsey]

Thanks for taking the time to post Jon. I'm sure you'll get more donated to your legal fund, it's a shame it happened so close to Xmas. Because I for one am skint.
But as I've seen how poor the donations have been so far, i'll donate a little now and more next month.
And as for Real OG, I believe he is posting for more than the search for truth.