Russia in Ukraine


One of the best things coming out of the war is that Khazars, who have made an industry out of defending Khazar genocide of Arabs based on supposed Khazar suffering, are suddenly defending mass murderers of Khazars: “Paul Krugman’s dishonest apologetics for Ukrainian fascism“ (Mackaman). It is all just PR for them. When they needed PR to justify mass murder and land theft, they came up with the Holocaust. When they need PR to get to regime change in Russia so they can commit mass murder and land theft in Syria, the Holocaust magically disappeared. We should stop listening to their rationalizations for their continued appalling behavior. Btw, deeply based paragraph:

The great irony is that, while the Times “pleads for a tolerant stance toward the prevalence of Nazi ideology in Ukraine,” as David North put it, the newspaper shows no such clemency toward the American Revolution and Civil War. The purpose of the Times’ massive 1619 Project was to smear and demean these events which, whatever their limitations, were genuine revolutions that raised up the banner of human equality. While statues of the fascist mass murderer Stepan Bandera go up in Kiev with the support of the Times, statues of Jefferson, Washington and Lincoln come down in America—also with the support of the Times.
Both Bandera and Hitler were aware of (((who))) murdered the Tzar and his family, (((who))) was behind the massacre of the Christian Armenians, ands (((who))) was behind the Holodomor. That doesn’t justify anything, particularly as the victims of later genocides certainly had nothing personally to do with the former outrages, and collective punishment is always going to be bad, even in the ongoing crime scene known as ‘Israel’, but it contextualizes the thinking. The group under attack was credibly viewed as a serious threat based on a known trail of previous behavior.


https://xymphora.substack.com/p/thorny-issues-of-history

btw, I think "White Supremacy" is a myth lawl

I'm disappointed in brother Kanye. His dumbass gets in the position and takes a shit on the table but doesn't have the courtesy to fan the shitpile until maggots are crawling! :mad: He just walks into the arms of another handler. :rolleyes:
 
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Ukraine story gettin old
Biden repeats what he's told
Dam gets blown
Wagner gets blown
CIA wants civil war
Lukashenko says Prigozhin in Minsk
False flag or not
Putin remains on the throne
 
I got my RT access back! Nice.

US military could create ‘global biological crisis’ – Russian MOD

The Pentagon is especially interested in studying infections that could be used as weapons, Moscow has claimed.

The US military is studying pathogens that could be used as biological weapons as the nation prepares for a potential new pandemic, the commander of Russia’s Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical Defense Forces, Lieutenant General Igor Kirillov, claimed on Wednesday.

The list of diseases that have attracted the attention of US specialists includes anthrax, tularemia, and various coronaviruses, Kirillov told a media briefing. Some of these pathogens are listed by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) as “high-priority” threats that can be used as “bioterrorism agents.”
“There is a clear trend: pathogens that fall within the Pentagon's area of interest, such as Covid-19, avian influenza, African swine fever, subsequently become a pandemic, and American pharmaceutical companies become the beneficiaries,” the general claimed, without elaborating.

According to Kirillov, the US was extensively studying coronaviruses shortly before the Covid-19 pandemic struck. Last month, the White House announced the creation of the Office of Pandemic Preparedness and Response Policy (OPPR), tasked with “leading, coordinating, and implementing actions related to preparedness for, and response to, known and unknown biological threats.”

The Russian military believes that may be another step in Washington’s plans to gain control over the global biological and epidemical situation. “As in 2019, the US has begun preparing for a new pandemic by searching for virus mutations,” Kirillov said.

Moscow does “not rule out that the United States will use so-called defensive technologies for offensive purposes, as well as for global governance by creating crisis situations of a biological nature,” the general added.

Russia has repeatedly raised the issue of global biological activities that involve the US military. Soon after the conflict between Moscow and Kiev broke out, Russia shared allegations of a sprawling network of secretive US-funded biological laboratories in Ukraine. It has since published troves of documents it claims were linked to the work of the laboratories.

In April, the Russian Defense Ministry stated that the US had been constructing new laboratories in Ukraine and training their personnel.

Moscow also took the issue of biolabs to the UN last October, requesting an international probe. The motion, however, was turned down by the UN Security Council, with the US, UK, and France voting against it.

Earlier this week, Democrat presidential hopeful Robert F. Kennedy Jr. claimed that the US had outsourced some of its biological weapons research to the Ukrainian authorities after the 2014 Maidan coup. According to Kennedy, the bioweapons program operates under the guise of “life sciences” studies.


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Forget Alex Jones... you know it's coming. They won't end it until the "climate is stable" ...:rolleyes:
 

Pittsey

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This invasion is the Russian Vietnam (or Somalia). I didn't expect it to still be going


Selfishly, I just want the price of energy, timber etc to go back to normal
 
This invasion is the Russian Vietnam (or Somalia). I didn't expect it to still be going
or part 2 of Afghanistan by USSA and Russia. The difference is energy game! Dollar done.

Some say Russia is stupid, others say patient. Very few say they are “in on it” and elites there will gladly take over the new “world police” role.
 
Well...

U.S. and European officials have spoken to the Ukrainian government about what possible peace negotiations with Russia might entail to end the war, NBC News quoted an unidentified senior U.S. official and one former U.S. official as saying.

The war in Ukraine, now in its 21st month, has killed or wounded hundreds of thousands and destroyed swathes of the country. It has also triggered the deepest crisis in Moscow's relations with the West since the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis.

NBC said the conversations had included very broad outlines of what Ukraine might need to give up to reach a deal with Russia.
They can never win against Russia. The neocons tried to outspend Russia in the Ukraine but that's hard to do when Russia can put up a good fight with pennies on the dollar.

False flag power plant explosion seems to be in the neocons playbook but I'm guessing there are limits to anyone's propaganda.

Taiwan next? lol no way.

Possible outcomes include US pulling the NATO funds so Europeans can waste more money on their "own military"...

Now back to bombing ambulances and hospitals. "Either you're with us or you're Hamas" --- I guess I'm Hamas.

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There are two options left: either to persuade Zelensky to leave amicably by pointing to Washington's chosen successor, or simply to kill him: a dead hero is better than a living psycho.

Of course, all this is to our advantage: the longer Zelensky remains in power, the longer Ukraine will continue to fight, bringing its collapse closer.

Therefore, we should take care of Zelensky, and protect him as best we can.
https://www.rt.com/russia/586534-russia-should-protect-zelensky/
 
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Preach

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Well...
They can never win against Russia. The neocons tried to outspend Russia in the Ukraine but that's hard to do when Russia can put up a good fight with pennies on the dollar.
That depends on how you define "win". They can avoid losing the war completely, and were doing pretty good at that before support started dwindling.

I am no expert about the Vietnam war, but when you compare the Ukraine war to the Vietnam war, I guess you mean they're similar in the way that they both turned into something else than what was expected at first, and became more of a nuisance in the end. I just want to point out two things:

- We don't really know that yet as far as the Ukraine war goes. If western supports comes to a halt, and Russia ends up winning the war, and all of Ukraine is annexed, then it will in fact end up being a super successful, tactical move on Russia's part. That history is still being written.

- The two wars are not 1-for-1 comparisons. It's not like Russia and the US are two peas in a pod, so to speak. One is a totalitarian, corrupt dictatorship leaning further and further towards increased totalitarianism. The other is an egalitarian democracy, which under Trump may have leaned towards more totalitarianism, but which in essence is the foundation of modern democracy and the idea of individual freedom. The US never wanted to annex Vietnam. I mean, there's about a million ways the two wars are different, and it's like you're suggesting "the US is just as bad as Russia". Even if that were true in terms of outcome, it's not true in terms of motivations. Which may or may not mean something to you personally, but it's the difference of having evil intentions vs. having good intentions and making mistakes on the way. The two are not interchangable. One is more morally reprehensible than the other.

When analysts speak about which presedence it would set to let Putin get away with it and just giving him Ukraine, I catch myself listening with my ears peaked. It's worrisome, especially to us over here in Scandinavia, as well as probably the Baltic states, Moldova, and a bunch of other countries.
 
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From the perspective of the Neocons - a "win" would be hurting Russia economically through sanctions and war spending. That would cause hardship for the Russian people, making the Putin regime unpopular while western intelligence feeds genuine protests until regime change in Russia, hoping to divide Russia and China and Eurasia as whole. The opposite is happening.

I guess the comparison to past wars like Vietnam and Afghanistan are valid in that they were like colonialism by the west to divide Asia for further exploitation!

One is a totalitarian, corrupt dictatorship leaning further and further towards increased totalitarianism. The other is an egalitarian democracy, which under Trump may have leaned towards more totalitarianism, but which in essence is the foundation of modern democracy and the idea of individual freedom.
That makes no sense to me. I guess I don't live in America you know! :D

Brain-dead Biden. Maniac Trump. Zio-Whore Haley. Likely blackmailed "anti-vaxxer" with two assassinated family members... Take your pick in the US prez erection. These people are chosen to usher in America's bankruptcy - the whole point about NATO and Trump's dumb art of war is "pay up motherfuckers, things are tight over here". :(
 
One is a totalitarian, corrupt dictatorship leaning further and further towards increased totalitarianism. The other is an egalitarian democracy...... but which in essence is the foundation of modern democracy and the idea of individual freedom.
Yeah, if it wasn't for Amerikkka - we'd likely never get Tupac Shakur and you Preach and me Bell would likely never have read each other's thoughts on this board --- In that sense - GOD FUCKING BLESS AMERIKKKA!

I want to see the fjords of Norway someday!!! :cool:
 

Preach

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From the perspective of the Neocons - a "win" would be hurting Russia economically through sanctions and war spending. That would cause hardship for the Russian people, making the Putin regime unpopular while western intelligence feeds genuine protests until regime change in Russia, hoping to divide Russia and China and Eurasia as whole. The opposite is happening.

I guess the comparison to past wars like Vietnam and Afghanistan are valid in that they were like colonialism by the west to divide Asia for further exploitation!
Get ready, we got incoming...

I have a hard time talking about this because it's very intricate, and a lot of my feelings on these issues are somewhat "intuitive" in nature, meaning they are more like feelings and less like monologues I can recall when I need to explain my position. But generally speaking, I feel like the mechanisms are different for what the US/west has been doing, and what Russia is doing. I'll agree that there are a lot of parallells in what actually transpires, ie. troops being stationed in other countries, and the attempt to affect a country's national politics (trying to instate democracy). But I'm not sure I agree it's western colonialization. It's several things at once, but among them, I truly believe it comes from a benevolent wish to have a free world where nations play ball and don't subjugate their citizen.

Is it the desire of the west or the US to divide Russia and China, though? I think if we could have it our way, we would influence them both into regime changes. And what do we think, that if we got pro-democratic regimes instated in those countries, that they would bend over and let us fuck them in the ass? They would not lose their position as large scale geopolitical actors, and they would still hold all their natural resources. Freedom and democracy is only bad for corrupt people who are currently in power, because all that freedom would open them up to all kinds of investigations and responsibilities. I don't see how any of us would lose anything from all of us being on the same page about which principles should constitute basic human rights. We certainly wouldn't gain any immediate benefits from dividing them, but all three countries would mutually benefit from teaming up. The US has natural resources, the EU has natural resources, but somehow we manage to prosper together in peace. I don't think we are trying to divide Russia and China, I think we are trying to bring everyone into the fold. At least that's what a lot of people down on the individual level are (probably naively) wishing for.

Consider this premise: In a democracy, the people making decisions are elected. Because the elections are free, the electees are at the mercy of the people. If they make decisions that are too unpopular, they don't last. That doesn't protect us from individual corruption or lack of competence, but it at least assures that punishment awaits those that make themselves guilty of either. It also doesn't mean that our election processes are perfect, or that our politics are a 1-for-1 representation of the nation as a whole. There are historical and pragmatic reasons for that, but our election processes are something approximating the will of the nation, if nothing else. If you look at surveys for the opinion on the war in Israel, for example I think a large majority of people in western countries are electing for peace in whatever form it may take. So benevolence is a component of western politics, even if it is not the sole motivation for all of them. It's kind of hard to seperate out how much of the decision to invade Vietnam rested on financial motivations and how much of it rested on this benevolence. The same benevolence that forced the US to eventually pull out. They might have not, had the people supported it. A lot of people don't want other people to suffer, and are fine with not conquering the whole world if it means people out there can have good lives. The key point here is that we have a culture which encourages empathy for other people, and it's getting more and more embedded into how we think about the world. Maybe some corrupt oil billionaire pulled a bunch of strings in the shadows to affect the US decision to invade Iraq, and maybe the people were misled by why we went there. Or maybe part of why we went there was because the people supported instating democracy and freedom for the people there. So well played, corrupt oil billionaire, but that doesn't mean our sole reason for invading Iraq was to seize their oil.

When the west tries to influence the politics of totalitarian states, and try to introduce democracy in other countries, you can think of it as being just the same as what Russia is doing in Ukraine, but I don't know... I don't think there's a nation or people on this earth who are currently living under a totalitarian ruleset, that wouldn't objectively benefit from democratic rights. Russia is framing the war as if they're liberating the Ukrainian people from neo-nazis, but that's objectively and verifiably false. What Russia is doing is colonialization in the truest sense. They are not stationing soldiers there while trying to introduce a ruleset that benefits the Ukrainian people. They are annexing the land, taking the resources, and trying to erase the culture and language of Ukraine. Just yesterday or today there was an interview with a representative of the occupational government in either Donetsk or Luhansk where he admitted that Ukranian civilians are being punished for "insulting" Russia lol. Putin and his cohort have gone on record many times speaking about how Ukraine has no right to exist, and that it's actually just russians that were lead astray by forces from the outside. They are not liberating Ukraine, they are trying to steal it and force their culture upon the ukrainian people.

There's imo just no comparison man. Not that holds up upon further inspection. When the US went to Vietnam, it was a war on communism, so geopolitics played a part in it for sure. But the belief that some part of the vietnamese people were suffering at the hands of totalitarianism and deserved liberation also played a part in it. And had the US succeeded in winning over the vietcong, the vietnamese people, their culture, and their language would be intact. As it is in Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, and every other country the US tried to "colonize". I'm not saying everything the US has ever done has been peachy, but there is a big difference between how the US/the west operates, and how actors like Russia operate. Both in what motivates those actions, and what the actual outcome is.

That makes no sense to me. I guess I don't live in America you know! :D

Brain-dead Biden. Maniac Trump. Zio-Whore Haley. Likely blackmailed "anti-vaxxer" with two assassinated family members... Take your pick in the US prez erection. These people are chosen to usher in America's bankruptcy - the whole point about NATO and Trump's dumb art of war is "pay up motherfuckers, things are tight over here". :(
To be fair, neither do I. :p The west is by no means perfect. But you know that saying "aim for the moon. if you miss, you land among the stars."? Russia doesn't let its people speak freely about how they feel about anything the government doesn't want negative attention to. Speaking your mind can get you punished severely. It's ran by oligarchs and they decide among themselves who gets elected into positions of power while holding fake elections to appease the international society and diffuse what the situation actually is. There is no freedom of speech, so people have no way of affecting the outcome of any decisions made by the powers that be. They assassinate critical voices abroad to avoid letting anyonel influence the russian people to ever get it into their head that they want a say in things. It's like if the US sent liberals to prison camps when Trump was president. It's ludicrous. The whole thing is rotten through and through.
 
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I guess the biggest picture I can give you is that we were good people before any concept of democracy or west or nazis or communism or .... you get it. We can be, again, when that knowledge is ever lost. Like an entire library of music you love disappearing from the network and memory! The stream just dries up! The river poisoned.

We haven't changed in thousands of years.

Please don't delete this this time!

The West that was so great in the past to many people is no longer a beacon of an abstract hope. Some people are inevitably realizing this before others.

Now back to The Drone Age.
 
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https://darksky.org/what-we-do/international-dark-sky-places/all-places/

People used to memorize star patterns and navigate - tell stories. Create Gods. Even understand the travels of their gods in the heavens. Now people are fucking ret@rde@d. And you can't even say they're ret@rde.... Normalization of ret@rde.... They want to make ret@rde@d okay because they are causing it. To make sure they keep us in check for the coming dark age! Who's not up for that shit?

Drones are indeed the current game changer. I mean in the war zone too, the technology that determines the era. The eras tour I read into! I don't like the comparison to Kamikaze - No! Not at all! Drones are machines and a lot more vicious, intimately, cold!!! The drone wars in Ukraine is fuking vicious - you don't want to know!! Guess what though? It's just like any other war but more published. I've been told that the Pentagon, Neocons, CIA, Taylor Swift, whoever they are, they are all in the same, they play the game of 20th century wars. Yesterday - all their troubles seemed so far away, now it seems it's here to stay. Drones can sink their Enterprise. Their USS Reagans and their USS Lincolns. Game Over. Now they sayin' niggas from Yemen creating environmental contamination! They wonderin' why they act how they act.

RIP America, and that's a fact.
 
Earl Grey, hot!
Make it so number one!
Engage!

Star date 6969LOL, I think I did it again, I think Counselor Tori know I was thinking about her boobs again. Betazoids... can't live with them, can't live with our them.

You have the bridge number one! I'll be in the holodeck!

 
There's a member here. I like. The name starts with Joker and ends with man. Taught me that a great brook takes a life to read and, Ron Paul makes sense.

In a recent CNN interview, the normally very confident US Under Secretary of State Victoria Nuland sounded a little desperate. She was trying to make the case for Congress to pass another $61 billion dollars for the neocons’ proxy war project in Ukraine and she was throwing out the old slogans that the neocons use when they want funding for their latest war.

Asked by CNN whether she believes that Congress will eventually pass the bill, Nuland responded that she has confidence that, “we will do what we have always done, which is defend democracy and freedom around the world…”

What Nuland is attempting here is what the neocons always do. They try to wrap their terrible policies up in the American flag and sell it to the American people as something reflective of “our” values. If you oppose another neocon war, well then you are unpatriotic according to their trickery.

But Americans are waking up to the lies of the neocons and more and more are realizing that there is no “we” when the neocons are trying to sell another war. It is “them.” The “we” in the equation are the people who are being robbed to pay for what will inevitably be another neocon failure.

Does any American still believe that Washington was “defending democracy and freedom” when it used a pack of lies to get us into Iraq, where a country was destroyed and perhaps a million people were killed? How about when, after 20 years in Afghanistan, we managed to replace the Taliban…with the Taliban? And Syria and Libya and all the other interventions?

Was Washington “defending democracy” when Nuland and the rest of the neocons successfully overthrew a democratically elected government in Ukraine in 2014?

It’s getting harder and harder for the American people to choke down the war lies of the neocons. That is something that should make us feel optimistic. In the same interview, Nuland said she was confident that when House Members return to session next week, “after they’ve been out in their districts hearing from the American people,” they will vote to send the $61 billion to Ukraine.

Looking at public opinion polls, however, it is far more likely that any Member meeting with constituents during the break will hear the opposite. It is likely they will hear a demand that not another penny be spent on the brutal, futile, and disastrous Ukraine war. According to a Harris poll taken earlier this month, some 70 percent of Americans want talks to end the Ukraine war!

Americans no longer support the neocon war project in Ukraine. That is something to celebrate.
Perhaps in a last show of desperation, Victoria Nuland debuted another argument for keeping the war money flowing for Ukraine. She said, “we have to remember that the bulk of this money is going right back into this economy to make those weapons…”

Is this supposed to be attractive to the American people? The middle class and the poor are being destroyed by inflation and squeezed by a debased currency so that the wealthy, politically-connected weapons manufacturers can get even richer? Instead of money to rebuild this country and protect its borders, Americans should be thrilled to see their hard work go up in smoke, literally, in Ukraine?
There aren't many people outside of the fringe internet that can argue with me about this ish. They make you think that it's complicated but it's the simplest thing known to man.

There I ago again, on my milk crate.
 
Yikes...

RT

Western ‘vampire ball’ is ending
Non-Western nations are striving for sovereignty and are watching with interest as Russia confronts the US and its allies, Putin stated.

Western elites have been “tearing to pieces [the] poor peoples of Africa” and have exploited Latin America and Asia for 500 years, he claimed, adding that the West remains desperate to protect its unfair advantage.

For centuries, they got used to stuffing their stomachs with human flesh and their pockets with money. But they must realize that this ‘ball of vampires’ is coming to an end.
Hawkish recent rhetoric by French President Emmanual Macron may have been an emotional outburst after his country retreated from its former colonial domains in Africa, Putin suggested. Paris has accused Moscow of undermining it, although Putin insisted that Russia “did not squeeze anyone out” of the continent.

No ‘red lines’
Macron has argued that the West should have no “red lines” when it comes to confronting Russia, although Moscow will respond accordingly to any nations that adopt this policy, Putin warned. Such rhetoric, however, is merely down to politicians “fantasizing and riling themselves up,” he suggested.

Putin also claimed that sending Western troops to aid Kiev would threaten Ukraine’s statehood. Poland specifically bears a grudge over lands lost to the USSR after World War II, the Russian leader argued, meaning that if Warsaw deployed military forces to Ukraine, they “wouldn’t leave.”

Moscow remains committed to peace with Ukraine, but won’t settle based on Kiev’s “drug-fueled wish list,” Putin stressed. Russian security must be guaranteed in a way that bridges the gap in trust created by the West’s broken promises, he added.

Kiev ‘slaughtering its own troops for PR’
Ukraine’s lack of frontline victories is pushing its government into reckless actions that have no military value, Putin argued, citing Kiev’s attempt to establish a foothold east of the Dnieper River.
“They were sending their people into the meat grinder. Soldiers were literally barefoot recently [due to supply problems],” the president claimed.

Moscow believes Kiev is sacrificing men in the hope of concealing its desperate situation and obtaining more Western aid.

Russia ready for nuclear war
The US sending a significant military force into Ukraine would be a “red line” for Russia, Putin stated, adding that he believes this scenario to be implausible.

“For us [the Ukraine conflict] is a matter of life and death; for them it’s a matter of improving their tactical position [globally and in Europe],” the president said.

Putin insisted that Russia is ready if the US tries to “play chicken.” Moscow is prepared to use nuclear weapons and considers its arsenal “more advanced than anyone else’s,” he warned.

Washington has enough experts in strategic deterrence, including President Joe Biden, to avoid a nuclear conflagration, the Russian leader suggested – but he added that if the US abandons its de facto moratorium on nuclear tests, Moscow will do the same.

US military bases ‘a black hole of corruption’
The Russian arms sector needs to “get the most bang for every ruble invested,” Putin insisted, stressing that the country is not the USSR, which failed to keep track of defense spending.

The US military is an example of mammoth spending undermined by poor efficiency, according to the Russian leader.

“They spend huge money on maintaining … military bases all around the world. It goes down the black hole, no accounting possible. That is where the graft happens,” he claimed.

Russia’s development of the Avangard nuclear-capable hypersonic glider was a good investment because it “nullified” the US national anti-ballistic missile system, Putin argued.

Trump accused Putin of favoring ‘Sleepy Joe’
Kiselyov asked whether Putin actually preferred Joe Biden to Donald Trump in the US presidential race, or whether he was “trolling” the Americans when he named his favorite last month.

Putin revealed that when Trump was in office, the Republican had accused the Russian leader of favoring his Democratic rival.

He said verbatim: ‘Do you want ‘Sleepy Joe’ to win?’
The current presidential race in the US is increasingly “uncivilized,” proving that American democracy is flawed, Putin claimed.



total collapse
 
Putin 2024!!!!!!1111!1

Just trolling bros. I really don't care who wins the next electionz. I'm staying the fukk home! Like I've been saying, whatever the result, the next one is going to be worse!!

Take care
 

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